mog1571 said:was totally silent in our pub after it was all over and one of the barstaff comes over to me and goes "who won then?" and i went bloody hell! look at the atmosphere! who you think!
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Once again we are let down
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T14086 said:
Abuse...he wont get out of the stretford end alive!
Jesus, theres some right moaning g*ts on here aint there?
How can you moan England played for penalties? were you watching the same match as our pub. We took the game to Portugal and were by far the better team even when down to 10 men. They couldnt even break us with an extra man. I wish i was a betting man as i predicted to my mate before the game that i thought an english player would be sent off (Argie ref) and we would lose on pens. Also, if FIFA want to promote fair play who the f*ck decided to put an Argie ref and linesmen in charge of an important England game, the Argies still feel they owe us for 26yrs ago so the outcome was a forgone conclusion imo.
Dont blame Rooney for his sending off. If he got red for stamping then i blame the ref as he should have stopped the game in Rooneys favour for the foul on him in that challenge. The Ref was an incompetent buffoon who did nothing to convince me he hadnt took a bung.Watch carraghers penalty again and tell me the ref didnt know what he was up to, he watched it & then said he wasnt ready so told him to take it again, Would he have told him to take it again had he missed?? i doubt it!
Dont tell me we werent good enough cos were more than good enough!.
Dont tell me the players didnt care cos you saw them crying at the end!.
The bottom line is that we have once again been cheated and up until this morning we had a manager who after 5 1/2yrs in charge still couldnt decide on even a formation that suited us.
And what you on about A of B? world cup 2000? I missed that one ! where was it played?
Also, some information for all the people who keep harping on about hooligans without the correct details. Well over 100,000 english fans in town on friday= 12 arrested= headline news. Previous night 48 germans arrested no one hears anything about it.
Heads up TRUE footie fans, we have nothing to be ashamed of!!:slayer:
How can you moan England played for penalties? were you watching the same match as our pub. We took the game to Portugal and were by far the better team even when down to 10 men. They couldnt even break us with an extra man. I wish i was a betting man as i predicted to my mate before the game that i thought an english player would be sent off (Argie ref) and we would lose on pens. Also, if FIFA want to promote fair play who the f*ck decided to put an Argie ref and linesmen in charge of an important England game, the Argies still feel they owe us for 26yrs ago so the outcome was a forgone conclusion imo.
Dont blame Rooney for his sending off. If he got red for stamping then i blame the ref as he should have stopped the game in Rooneys favour for the foul on him in that challenge. The Ref was an incompetent buffoon who did nothing to convince me he hadnt took a bung.Watch carraghers penalty again and tell me the ref didnt know what he was up to, he watched it & then said he wasnt ready so told him to take it again, Would he have told him to take it again had he missed?? i doubt it!
Dont tell me we werent good enough cos were more than good enough!.
Dont tell me the players didnt care cos you saw them crying at the end!.
The bottom line is that we have once again been cheated and up until this morning we had a manager who after 5 1/2yrs in charge still couldnt decide on even a formation that suited us.
And what you on about A of B? world cup 2000? I missed that one ! where was it played?
Also, some information for all the people who keep harping on about hooligans without the correct details. Well over 100,000 english fans in town on friday= 12 arrested= headline news. Previous night 48 germans arrested no one hears anything about it.
Heads up TRUE footie fans, we have nothing to be ashamed of!!:slayer:
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It's always the same story though isn't it. We always have to look for excuses to make us feel better about the loss and it's usually always down to the same things. For once can't the FA go with the fans opinion and listen to us.MATT 68 said:
What was wrong with waiting till the world cup was over before appointing a new manager. Big Phil had passion he'd have done a good job for us.
I think big Sam would have been a better choice than Mcboldpatch.
Instead we'll spend the next 4 years hoping that next time will be our time but in all reality it won't yet we have the players to do it.
I think we have good reason to be a bunch of moaners
and yes the fans were excellent, best in the world
Yeah, i know what youre saying Koa about excuses and i hate it, its just that this time i really feel we have just cause to complain. I agree, a manager shouldnt have been chosen until after the world cup but what do you expect from the old boys club(FA) in soho? The fans will never get their say in choosing an England manager as our choice (tho right) would not be the same as theirs! The F.A. will always go for the yes man who they feel wont rock the boat but can take all the blame for their mistakes when things go wrong:bang: .
I think i mentioned last month that i would have had Sam Allardyce as manager with Stuart Pearce his assistant but it'll never happen as these two say it as it is and damn the consequences. Instead we get a manager who has achieved nothing in the domestic game and has about as much charisma and passion as a wet flannel!All he can ever be seen doing is writing his shopping list during a game and look where thats got us! Nowhere!!
Its very dissapointing to say it but all i foresee is more gloom in the future again and again and again until the structure of the F.A. gets a major upheavel and we start employing managers who dont give a stuff about reputations or egos of others and are allowed to do the job without interferance from above.:slayer:
I think i mentioned last month that i would have had Sam Allardyce as manager with Stuart Pearce his assistant but it'll never happen as these two say it as it is and damn the consequences. Instead we get a manager who has achieved nothing in the domestic game and has about as much charisma and passion as a wet flannel!All he can ever be seen doing is writing his shopping list during a game and look where thats got us!
Nowhere!! Its very dissapointing to say it but all i foresee is more gloom in the future again and again and again until the structure of the F.A. gets a major upheavel and we start employing managers who dont give a stuff about reputations or egos of others and are allowed to do the job without interferance from above.:slayer:
sportingsmissus
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And so who do you all think should be the new England captain following Becks standing down??? Just read on teletext he has stood down as captain following 6 years in the role.
Lampard or Terry.
I look at it this way, we got as far as Brazil did, maybe even further because we got through to penalties.
I only bought an England shirt yesterday as well hoping they'd go through to the semi's!
And also rooney is under investigation.
I only bought an England shirt yesterday as well hoping they'd go through to the semi's!
And also rooney is under investigation.
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dan-the-man said:
This is what annoys me:bang: :bang: !! It sounds to non footy people like hes in big trouble but he aint. Any player who recieves a red card is investigated
CheeseMaster
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It isn't clear whether or not he is being investigated for the red card offense (punching in front of the ref ), or the act committed before that ( stamping on gonads ).
Stamping on the sack....Erickson said it was that on teletext,read it earlier.
sportingsmissus
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how many times can Sven say sorry?? just watchin the news and think there were about 9 sorries in his speech -
they said rooney under investigation for 'violent conduct' but didnt say if was the stomp or the push, maybe its a combination cos the ref didnt appear to do much until rooney pushed ronaldo. dunno though
ronaldo is a smug g*t, dont see what he was winking and smirking about though. after all they couldnt beat us with ten men against eleven
they said rooney under investigation for 'violent conduct' but didnt say if was the stomp or the push, maybe its a combination cos the ref didnt appear to do much until rooney pushed ronaldo. dunno though
ronaldo is a smug g*t, dont see what he was winking and smirking about though. after all they couldnt beat us with ten men against eleven
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Please no, not LumpalardT14086 said:
Terry, yes
A born leader.Gerrard could also do a good job, but did you hear Terry in the tunnel before the Sweden game ( I think it was Sweden) He should have captained us this time.
But more than anything else I am hoping that a team can be picked that actually compliment each other and will work well as a team, making sure there's always someone to pass to if that killer ball isn't possible.
Bit of a sweeping generalisation there! I assume then that hardly any European referres can referee a Germany game, hardly and Middle Eastern refs can ref a Western game, and no Irish refs can ref a British game?MATT 68 said:
You blame the ref for Rooney stamping on another player?MATT 68 said:
It's pretty clear that if you deliberately attempt to injure another player you'll get sent off for it...I'm sure A of B meant 98MATT 68 said:
(That was in France BTW )H
Not read the whole thread, so sorry if i'm repeating what peeps have said but.......
The rooney red card. The ref was simply going to give them the free kick for the "foul" yes he stamped on his nuts, but i dont think this was intentional (look at the replay, it dosent look like he meant to place his foot there). The ref did not go for his book/cards untill ronaldo came running over and gettign in the refs face.
He only got his card out when rooney pushed/nudged ronaldo away. That deserves a yellow NOT A STRAIGHT RED. By the same token Ronaldo should of been booked for decent - your not allowed to get in the ref face.
Other bad points, gerrard, lampard, carragher - **** penalties.
Good points, we stepped up well when we went down to 10 men, Lennon looked very good, again. And hargreaves, bloody awesome, fair play to him he played with passion, ran round that pitch like a head less chicken, and scored his penalty - Hense, my man of the match.
The rooney red card. The ref was simply going to give them the free kick for the "foul" yes he stamped on his nuts, but i dont think this was intentional (look at the replay, it dosent look like he meant to place his foot there). The ref did not go for his book/cards untill ronaldo came running over and gettign in the refs face.
He only got his card out when rooney pushed/nudged ronaldo away. That deserves a yellow NOT A STRAIGHT RED. By the same token Ronaldo should of been booked for decent - your not allowed to get in the ref face.
Other bad points, gerrard, lampard, carragher - **** penalties.
Good points, we stepped up well when we went down to 10 men, Lennon looked very good, again. And hargreaves, bloody awesome, fair play to him he played with passion, ran round that pitch like a head less chicken, and scored his penalty - Hense, my man of the match.
hmallett said:Bit of a sweeping generalisation there! I assume then that hardly any European referres can referee a Germany game, hardly and Middle Eastern refs can ref a Western game, and no Irish refs can ref a British game?
You blame the ref for Rooney stamping on another player?
I'm sure A of B meant 98
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I also assume that you dont watch, participate or generally know a fat lot about the game of football by your post Mallett
. Also if you wish to quote me please dont edit my sentence to suit your needs:bang:, show it in its full context and it reads alot differently to howYOU quote it!! Dont work for the Tabloids do you ?
lets face it the england team are a cross between anna kournikova and the 1996 liverpool fa cup final team the "spice boys", ie: all style, look pretty, act tough, cry like a four year old with a grazed knee (very manly becks), no self control, no abilty to understand the team comes before self (that means you apeboy rooney),no substance, and most def choke on the big big pressure.
sort that out, maybe they might be contenders.....
sort that out, maybe they might be contenders.....
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turboned said:
Hate to admit it but i think in all honesty Turboned that your description of the England Squad is probably the most accurate yet!!
Assume all you likeMATT 68 said:I also assume that you dont watch, participate or generally know a fat lot about the game of football by your post Mallett
The second quote was trimmed in order not to quote verbatim. I felt the context was still there and it didn't read differently (particularly as the entire thread, including the whole of your original post is available to see, and would presumably have been read by anyone reading my post). To clarify, the original sentence in full was:MATT 68 said:Also if you wish to quote me please dont edit my sentence to suit your needs:bang:, show it in its full context and it reads alot differently to howYOU quote it!
Now I'm confused what point you're trying to make. Is it: (a) It was OK for Rooney to stamp as the ref had made a mistake in not stopping for the foul; (b) If the ref had stopped the game for the foul, Rooney's stamp would have been OK; (c) Rooney wouldn't have stamped if the foul had been given (except it wasn't, and it's up to him to control his temper).MATT 68 said:
Now you're trying to insult meMATT 68 said:Dont work for the Tabloids do you
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