Hi all,

Today I decided to replace the parents 2005 Panda 1.1 timing belt...they have done 100,000Km's and never had it changed.

I stripped out everything that I needed to, took off the aux drive belt, took off the crankshaft pully, timing belt cover, and engine mounts.

The belt it'self looks in quite good condition, but needs to be changed alright.

My problem is, im having difficulty finding TDC with the marks on the aux crankshaft pully, crankshaft, and cam pully. I can clearly see the marks on the pullys, but there seems to be nothing to align them with.

On the camshaft pully, the line seems to line up with a "grove" just below the rocker cover seal. It looks to be at the 8 o clock position. The grove is quite wide though, 8-9mm. Is this the wrong thing to be lining up?

It's the same on the crankshaft pully. I can clearly see the line on the pully, but I can't see anything on the timing belt metal case to line it up with. It seems like it should line up with a mark on the angled piece of metal (from the haynes manual) but again...i cant see a groove.

Finally, I see there is a groove on the aux crankshaft pully that should help find TDC. After a few minutes searching for something to lign up to, i gave up.

I re-attached everything and made the car driveable again...hopefully someone here can offer some advice and I can try again! I looked at the panda classic guide to timing belt change, but the pullys seem to be a little bit different.

Any Ideas?

You didn't mention the water pump - it makes sense to replace the pump at the same time, especially if you're getting a garage to do the job, and it would be what's called a "proper job" down here in Devon if you did the same. The last time I did this on an 1108cc FIRE engine there was no need to remove the crankshaft pulley - has that changed?

alphatangocharlie said:

.....My problem is, im having difficulty finding TDC with the marks on the aux crankshaft pully, crankshaft, and cam pully. I can clearly see the marks on the pullys, but there seems to be nothing to align them with.
............Any Ideas?

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Read this (sounds as if you need a camlock and alignment kit)

https://www.fiatforum.com/grande-punto-guides/237966-1-2-8v-evo-2-engine-cam-belt-replacement.html



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Pandablues said:

Read this (sounds as if you need a camlock and alignment kit)

https://www.fiatforum.com/grande-punto-guides/237966-1-2-8v-evo-2-engine-cam-belt-replacement.html



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Someone seemed to manage without one

If the engine is in time before you start, I'd imagine it's possible if you work carefully & mark everything properly before you start. I can remember doing one on a 1997 Punto about 8 years ago without special tools.

The 1.1/1.2 8V is a non-interference engine, so there's no risk of doing anything seriously catastrophic.

https://www.fiatforum.com/punto-ii/19733-photos-timing-marks-8v-f-i-r-e-engines.html

iirc the 1.1 in the panda is still same as above link and dont need timming tools?

there is also a tdc mark on flywheel you can see if you remove rubber bung on top of bell housing