Technical My Panda 4x4 Abarth Project

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Technical My Panda 4x4 Abarth Project

It seems that the newer 69 hp 1.2 Panda has a completely different plastic intake manifold compair to the older 60 hp.
Based on that it's not clear the Rotrex would have enough space on the intake manifold side.
Further it's not clear the bracket would just bold-on, on the new engine.

btw, do have a engine picture with all the hoses on. ?
 
I'd be surprised if the Rotrex mounting position allowed it to interfere with the plastic manifolding on the 69bhp Euro5 engine. I'll have a look at my brothers car in due course (a 12-plate with the intermittent 1st-gear pull-away issue!), but here's a picture of mine with piping attached. This was all custom remember, so the hosing could be run however you wanted.
 

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Hey Ringa, just wanted to let you know that I got 2 front seats from 500 abarth just like yours. Wish the guy had rears too but no... oh well. Got them on eBay thou even thou I was searching Abarth classifieds, the link you gave me too. £149 for hardly used seats, think its a pretty good deal. Did you installed them seats yourself or did you get garage to do it?
 
Hey Ringa, just wanted to let you know that I got 2 front seats from 500 abarth just like yours. Wish the guy had rears too but no... oh well. Got them on eBay thou even thou I was searching Abarth classifieds, the link you gave me too. £149 for hardly used seats, think its a pretty good deal. Did you installed them seats yourself or did you get garage to do it?

I think you'll find he installed them himself.(y)
 
Hmmm, might have to get my mate to give me a hand... got tools and craftman hands just hope missus wont say "Whats the hell have you done to the car...." :D
 
I did indeed fit them myself and they were very straightforward to do, just needs patience and a decent mains electric drill (or if not, a good supply of charged batteries). One of the 4 mounts needs swapping over from 500 to Panda, as it is switched through 90 degrees. Drilling out the mounts takes time and requires increasingly larger drill bits to get through the substantial metalwork. Remove both mounts from each seat, swap them and bolt up. Seats then go straight in and look fab.

I'm sure Mrs Demi will be impressed with the improvement!
 
Drilling out the mounts takes time and requires increasingly larger drill bits to get through the substantial metalwork.
Sounds like an easy job for someone with 36volt Dewalt guns and set off titanium cone cutters (y). Seats arrive next week, Monday or Tuesday so hoping to get them installed on the week end. Will post pictures in my Matte Project thread. Cheers Ringa
 
I'd be surprised if the Rotrex mounting position allowed it to interfere with the plastic manifolding on the 69bhp Euro5 engine. I'll have a look at my brothers car in due course (a 12-plate with the intermittent 1st-gear pull-away issue!), but here's a picture of mine with piping attached. This was all custom remember, so the hosing could be run however you wanted.

I'm looking forward to your findings.
The 169 is not going anywhere any time soon, so if it would fit on the new 69hp engine i will order a bracket the rest is peanuts after that.
 
Hey Ringa, just wanted to let you know that I got 2 front seats from 500 abarth just like yours. Wish the guy had rears too but no... oh well. Got them on eBay thou even thou I was searching Abarth classifieds, the link you gave me too. £149 for hardly used seats, think its a pretty good deal. Did you installed them seats yourself or did you get garage to do it?

I woz gonna bid on them there the only pair i have seen on ebay they not too bad for that price.
 
I paid over twice that figure for mine + another £80 I think for the rear, but that's the price of being an early adopter eh? If only those Sabelts would drop to this level.....
 
I woz gonna bid on them there the only pair i have seen on ebay they not too bad for that price.
Thank god you didn't.... I got them cheap coz of it. Probably no one bid because the pick up is from Newcastle which is not ideal when you live in London but I got a courier to deliver seat for £39 of Shiply.com ... Cant complain really (y)
 
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I'd be surprised if the Rotrex mounting position allowed it to interfere with the plastic manifolding on the 69bhp Euro5 engine. I'll have a look at my brothers car in due course (a 12-plate with the intermittent 1st-gear pull-away issue!), but here's a picture of mine with piping attached. This was all custom remember, so the hosing could be run however you wanted.

Have you had a look. ?
 
..... Fuel economy has averaged 35.45mpg over those 7000 miles (proper brim-to-brim calcs each fill-up) and it really is the perfect UAV for todays Britain in my view!

Sorry, but my calculations are based on liters / 100 km. Can you translate your average to that please?

...My mate with his 100HP is also very happy with his conversion and his is particlarly slick in the completeness of the 100HP / 4x4 integration. Full climate and 100 interior sits nicely with a 4x4 exterior and 100HP dark windows and roof spoiler. No wiring issues to report apart from the rear washwipe it seems - for whatever reason it refuses to play nicely and parks in a different position each time.

Will you post an extensive report on your mate's project? It seams a lot easier to me.
 
I have neither looked at brothers 1.2 Euro5 69bhp engine, nor gotten round to getting the full info on my mate's 100HP4x4, so apologies on both fronts.

I will take pictures of brothers car on Saturday however. Probably!
 
I have neither looked at brothers 1.2 Euro5 69bhp engine, nor gotten round to getting the full info on my mate's 100HP4x4, so apologies on both fronts.

I will take pictures of brothers car on Saturday however. Probably!
If you've got pictures of your 4x4's engine bay I can compare it to my 4x4 and Euro 5 500 :)
 
Would be a good place to start till I get my lazy arse into gear! Still reckon there's plenty of clearance on the EU5.

And BTW, have fitted a Bailey dump-to-atmosphere valve and it has improved the whole driving experience no end. Better engine braking, smoother transition from off to on throttle, noise is not too intrusive and loads on the Rotrex, IC and pipe work will be much reduced. Good mod (picture coming very soon!)
 
I am aware that TTS have potentially moved away from one-offs and are focussing on their more popular 'productionised' kits. They do some quite remarkable kits for Honda Type-R's and a truely outstanding 4.2 V8 Audi setup for the S5, RS4 etc and these make big big power. The S2000 Stage3 kit is 450bhp on std internals and is reliable as hell - then 650bhp out of the RS4 engine with the biggest Rotrex blower.

Having said that, they will have the CADs for my bracket and I would be surprised if they wanted to charge a lot for a second copy. You'd need that crank pulley machining too though.

There's no MAF on the 1.2 FIRE so the engine won't care if the dump valve is a recirc or not, so my main concerns are 2-fold;

1) Will a dump valve be able to 'flow' enough volume of air to be effective, as the blower will continue to blow hard when I lift off, unlike a turbo.
2) If I go for a dump-to-air will it be noisy as hell and make me sound like a Jonny Nova boy.....?

I will investigate one of those Samco hoses, as that would be a neat solution. If I want to go recirc, I'd just dump it back into the airfilter feed.

Did you installed a dump valve in de meantime. ???

Any pics if so. ?
 
Yes, sorry, dump valve installed and now tested for about 600miles. Very pleased I did it and actually should have fitted this from the get-go.

1. I went for a simple Bailey Dump to Atmosphere valve, which claims to be able to handle any amount of boost. My car only makes 10psi, so this will hardly provide it with a challenge. I went for a dump-to-atmosphere as I needed to lose a lot of air and the general view was that these offer the highest flow for venting the excess to the sky. Remember that the s/c pumps air into the engine all the time, unlike a Turbo that has a wastegate to control boost. So the dump valve has to work pretty much full time on a s/c engine, as opposed to only when changing gear on a turbo.

2. Install was easy and I used a simple T-connector into the main intake pipe to mount the valve, nice and near the throttle body. I T-'d into the feeder pipe for my boost guage and made sure the valve was flexibly supported.

3. I remain amazed at how much air that Rotrex pumps even at a 900rpm idle. You can hear the air being vented when running on an even throttle at lower speeds, but at higher it disappears into the rest of the wind and tyre noise. As you increase throttle, manifold depression decreases, the Bailey starts to close and the venting rush becomes more or a hiss as the hole through which the air was passing closes up as the piston rises. By the time the gauge shows atmospheric, the Bailey is closed and the engine sees the full effects of the Rotrex. And then when I change gear, vacuum momentarily returns, the Bailey opens and dumps the pressure to air and off we go again. Works a treat.

4. Should have done this months ago. Without this valve the s/c was constantly pressurising the entire inlet tract from the s/c outlet, through the pipework and the I/C and right up to the butterfly valve in the Throttle Body. Not only has this build up of pressure now gone, but so has that slightly stressy feel to the engine when cruising fast but at a constant speed. This scenario has the TB butterfly only slightly open so the charged air has nowhere to go and just tries to stall the compressor. None of that any more. The engine is smoother all round and actually feels stronger and more responsive. The CHUFF when changing gear remains amusing and I really love the extra character to the engine as the throttle position now affects the venting noises as you drive. The chap now talks to me....

SUSPENSION UPDATE:

I also got round to fitting my Eibach Camber Bolts to the top hub mounts on the front suspension. This has had a quite remarkable affect on the front end grip as it now runs 1.5deg -ve camber rather than what was broadly 0 or even slightly +ve. Front end grip is now stronger than the back, so a deft lift-off on a wet roundabout is now properly good fun. Tyre wear so far is not impacted, but they've only been on for a couple of hundred miles as yet, so jury still out. But together with the Bilstein B4 shocks all round, I now have suspension and grip appropriate to the power and chuckability of the car. Bloomin' love it - it seems to get better every day!
 

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