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Re: 2013 aircon

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Never had one fail: 2013 car covered 70k miles with plenty of fast motorway or loose offroad stuff. Rads all fine when sold... I suspect the reference to 'pulling the switch' is the issue here
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Did you see this? https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-iii/...ml#post4492297
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@gullyfoyle Are you sure you have a pull-out switch?
On each of my Pandas with air con (2013, then 2017 and now 2018 models), you push it in - when it clicks and a bright orange light comes on. You push it again to turn it off.

Note: it will only work if the fan is set to something other than '0'. The aircon switch doesn't have an 'on' position - it always sits flush with the panel around it, except when it is being pushed to operate it.

Three photos - first shows the Panda's fan control (note: not the same as in @2668GRIFFIN's Fiorino), the second shows the button being pushed in, and the third photo with light (and a/c) on - in daylight. (You can push the middle of the control - I only have my finger on the edge so you can see the LED in the photos)
Ahí Iím stupid, Iíve been misremembering how Iíve been operating the switch push on push off...why I thought Iíd been pulling I donít know, just had the wife looking at me like Iím mad, which is a bit rich since I fitted a new front door today that sheís been on about for years!!!
Any way, no cold air.. try to get it re gassed soon.

Thank you all, sorry about the wild goose chase. 😂
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Re: 2013 aircon

MultiECUscan should confirm the systems pressure.

AlfaOBD might..

Our panda has noticably better cooling than our punto.. but has a smaller vabin to chill..

Quotes have been £60 to £90 for a regas.. so DIY might be worth a look..

But not sure it would detect leaks?

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Never had one fail: 2013 car covered 70k miles with plenty of fast motorway or loose offroad stuff. Rads all fine when sold... I suspect the reference to 'pulling the switch' is the issue here
2013 4x4 TA with 78000 miles on the clock, aircon on almost all the time - Devon winters and Italian spring and autumn - never any issues - had pressure checked last year.
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Re: 2013 aircon

Hope the op doesn't mind me tagging this on here .
The aircon in our T/A(2012)works great for about 15 mins(sometimes less)then the output virtually stops & will sometimes just about work with fan on 4,anybody able to suggest where to start with it.

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Re: 2013 aircon

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Hope the op doesn't mind me tagging this on here .
The aircon in our T/A(2012)works great for about 15 mins(sometimes less)then the output virtually stops & will sometimes just about work with fan on 4,anybody able to suggest where to start with it.

Cheers,Graham.
pressure is low, needs a top up.
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The aircon in our T/A(2012)works great for about 15 mins(sometimes less)then the output virtually stops & will sometimes just about work with fan on 4,anybody able to suggest where to start with it.
Do you mean the aircon stops being cold, or that the fan stops blowing and no air comes through at all?

If the latter, this is not a lack of aircon gas but a failing or faulty fan speed resister, which is cutting out as it overheats. It will eventually stop altogether. There are various previous threads about this, such as here

https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-iii/...5=#post4349646

and here (from the older Panda model - but the part and location is the same) https://www.fiatforum.com/panda/4332...0=#post4133259 and here https://www.fiatforum.com/panda/2876...6=#post2909851

The resistor pack is about £15 from Fiat, and is fitted by accessing the heater ducting from the black panel beneath the windscreen. Remove wipers, remove black plastic panel - mostly a push fit but a couple of obvious plastic plugs too, remove wiper motor and linkages and then you can see the green resistor pack thorugh the opening below where the the wiper motor was where the air goes into the car.

But yes, if the fan is working happily and only a lack of cold after 15 mins, then @AndyRKett's reply is more likely cause.
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Re: 2013 aircon

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pressure is low, needs a top up.
Thanks AndyR,so is that the same thing as a re-gas ?

Quote Originally Posted by Herts Hillhopper View Post
Do you mean the aircon stops being cold, or that the fan stops blowing and no air comes through at all?

If the latter, this is not a lack of aircon gas but a failing or faulty fan speed resister, which is cutting out as it overheats. It will eventually stop altogether. There are various previous threads about this, such as here

https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-iii/...5=#post4349646

and here (from the older Panda model - but the part and location is the same) https://www.fiatforum.com/panda/4332...0=#post4133259 and here https://www.fiatforum.com/panda/2876...6=#post2909851

The resistor pack is about £15 from Fiat, and is fitted by accessing the heater ducting from the black panel beneath the windscreen. Remove wipers, remove black plastic panel - mostly a push fit but a couple of obvious plastic plugs too, remove wiper motor and linkages and then you can see the green resistor pack thorugh the opening below where the the wiper motor was where the air goes into the car.

But yes, if the fan is working happily and only a lack of cold after 15 mins, then @AndyRKett's reply is more likely cause.
Hi,yes the fan still works(makes a noise)but the air output almost stops ?.
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Hi,yes the fan still works(makes a noise)but the air output almost stops ?.
The air coming out the vents stops?

Is this climate control and the fan is powering down once the set temperature is reached??
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How fresh is the cabinfilter?

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The air coming out the vents stops?

Is this climate control and the fan is powering down once the set temperature is reached??
It's manual air-con,with the 4 speed fan.
It's difficult to describe what happens,but i'll try & be a bit clearer
From the car being "cold" say in the morning,the air-con will start to work after a few minutes with cold air blowing through the vents,then after about 15mins the fan is still "working",but the flow of air from the vents drops right down,but what bit does come through is still cold & if the fan is switched to 4,it sometimes increases the flow,but not by as much as when it flows "normally".
Also there is a damp/musty odour when it starts acting up & ocassionaly a vapour comes out of the vents,now i'm typing this it sounds like we should sell it ,except we love the car(mainly the engine).
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How fresh is the cabinfilter?

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I wouldn't like to swear on a stack of bibles,but I believe we had it replaced at the last service about 12mths ago.
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Re: 2013 aircon

Very odd... but I think we are getting nearer the cause!

Have you read the threads here about cleaning out the drains from the 'scuttle' area -- the space below the windscreen where the wiper motor lives and where the air to the heater goes in? If you've never cleaned those drains (need doing every few months, especially in the winter when leaves fall in there), then I'd bet it is full of water. This will slosh around as you drive and get into the heater box, saturating the pollen filter - and once wet, air won't go through it too well.

Take a look here: https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-iii/...duckbills.html

If they are blocked, as well as water getting in the heater box, the carpet will be wet around where the steering column goes through the floor...

(Curious that you say 'air con starts to work after a few minutes - should get cold and the fan should blow, as soon as you turn it on)
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