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Itís nearly time.. Panda or not?

Iím one job opportunity away from having the money to buy a new car.

For the past three years Iíve wanted nothing more than the new Panda shape. But everybody I know with one is quite frank about how theyíre Ďtinnyí, Ďdead slowí and Ďnot as good as the older modelí

I havenít driven one myself beyond a quick test drive but when Iíve been in one I notice itís more refined than my 05 model, rolls smoother and leans less. It still seems like a better car to me. And I find it hard to believe after throwing millions at it Fiat ended up with a worse product.

Iíll either be buying a Panda or a Yaris. The Yaris being much more reliable than any other car choice I have to be honest! Though They are more expensive and I donít love the design of them as much.

Another relation has a 2013 Yaris. Heís quick to point out in five years, 100,000 miles, itís needed no replacement parts whereas his VW needed rear bushings at just two years old.. he reckons if I buy one itíd virtually last twice as long with less money needed spent on it..

Only thing putting me off the Panda;

If theyíre as bad as people say
If after a few years itíll be the same story as my current Panda: hundreds a year to keep it right


My granny has a 2015 Pop model coming up to 3 years old in September. Ideally Iíll buy this from her as itís been in the family since new with just 16,000 miles. She formerly owned my current Panda but it was much older when handed over.

As owners, what do you guys think? My budget is £5,000 but if I find a good deal £6,000 at a stretch

So... Panda or Yaris?
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Stupid question: Panda every time!!!!
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Re: Itís nearly time.. Panda or not?

Can get 2 year old Panda Easy for just under £6k. Can get 18 month old Pop for about the same. Above average miles not a bad thing if looked after.
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Re: Itís nearly time.. Panda or not?

Quote Originally Posted by puntofan01 View Post
Stupid question: Panda every time!!!!
The heart says Panda and the brain says Toyota! LOL
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The brain should say Fiat too: keep it maintained and your new Panda should be good and reliable. I'd imagine most of the problems you've had with your current Panda have been due to age and mileage, so a much newer model shouldn't have those issues.
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Quote Originally Posted by puntofan01 View Post
The brain should say Fiat too: keep it maintained and your new Panda should be good and reliable. I'd imagine most of the problems you've had with your current Panda have been due to age and mileage, so a much newer model shouldn't have those issues.
On one hand I feel:

- Well, if I had my car from day one it'd have been serviced like clockwork
- It'd have been washed weekly and waxed every 3 months (hopefully preventing some of the rusting)
- It'd never have been at the mercy of butchering mechanics! Lol (e.g. welded exhaust issues and brake workarounds)
- It'd have had Fiat only or OEM quality branded parts only (e.g. Bosch)

On the other hand I feel:

- Maybe as it's identical parts to my Panda I'm just asking for the same trouble, (non galvanised rear axle, rust prone sumps)
- I'm throwing away the chance to have a ""reliable"" car

But in support of the Panda, 'better the devil I know', in that:

- I know how to work with and fix it myself
- I know what's likely to fail now and can keep an eye on and anticipate it
- It's a damn simple car as far as a 2018 buy new one goes
- It's made of bog standard, no messing around proven simple mechanisms that are easy to fix vs. some certain French cars these days lol
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It's a no-brainer: get the Panda.

Put it like this: I've been a Fiat owner for nearly 8 years, and I fully intend on getting another Fiat for my next car.

With regards to reliability, I met my girlfriends parents for the first time yesterday, and it turns out that her dad drives a 2008 Bravo multijet for getting to and from work. It's covered nearly 190,000 miles, and so far, the only fault has been the climate control.
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There are other ways into car ownership that might be of interest.

I had a horrid time with a use Jag a few years ago and decided enough was enough with used.
I wanted a way into a new car that I could punt for another new car once the warranty expired. So no worries about MOT's, repairs and faults, tyres, exhaust and the likes.

So I looked into PCP deals.
I know a lot of people don't like them, but bare with me a minute.

First off, I could trade in the Jag without worry or come back.

They nearly always include a hefty deposit (or routes to achieve a hefty deposit), so I could put the money I would have used into an interest paying account (yes, there are a few around still that pay 5%, like Nationwide Flexdirect, each year what I had in there made me a free payment on the car) and make the payments from that.

I knew I needed to pick a car that would have a decent chance of a reasonable GFV but a good chance if I looked after it that it would be worth more, (which my last Panda 4x4 did in fact do, by £1500).
This is important, you don't want a high depreciating car, your payments will take that into account as the difference between purchase price and GFV is larger.

At the end of the deal I wanted either a similar car for less monthly payments, or a better car (within the same criteria above) for the same.

So at the end of my Panda 4x4 deal I could have pumped in another £1500 deposit, saving nearly £40 a month on another Panda 4x4 for three years, or as it happened, get an Abarth Tursimo on virtually the same monthly payments with just a small addition to the deposit.

And all that cash I used to repair and keep the Jag running goes directly into regular savers account, that also pays 5%!

I've help work out this sort of thing on a colleagues last three cars so I thought I'd give it a go myself, she now in a Toyota Yaris Hybrid that's costing her peanuts to run and peanuts on payments.
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Re: Itís nearly time.. Panda or not?

Not all of us that buy Pandas do so because of price. Size, reliability, cost (i.e. not price) and practicality.

Our 2017 1.2 is anything but tinny. Very quiet, smooth and relaxed. It's neither as economical nor as 'fun/thrashy' to drive as the 2011 1.2 but overall a much nicer owning experience.

On your money I'd look for a 1.2 Easy+ but spend as little as you can because whatever happens, the value drops. No question.

Then buy property.
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I'm considering a Panda for my next car.
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I was the underbidder on this last week:

http://www.unique-auctions.com/archives/34023

It got £3800 + commission. It came from a deceased estate (old chap). I checked the paperwork and it had been serviced 3 times.

I don't need a car yet - my 53 reg Panda Dynamic 1.2 has only got 133k on the clock. I couldn't resist having a go for it.

A Panda of this age and mileage make more sense than a new one to me.
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Re: Itís nearly time.. Panda or not?

You'll get a younger Panda for your money than a Yaris, but with Toyota you get a longer warranty, and bullet-proof reliability. I suspect the Yaris will hold its value better, too.

*Stands back and waits for reponses from irate Panda owners saying how reliable theirs has been, and how their mate's wife's Toyota has been a heap of trouble, etc, etc*
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You're a bright lad with a great future; whilst whatever you buy next will be a great leap forward from what you've currently got, I'm sure it will only be a stepping stone to even better things.

You've got to ask yourself; do I really want to spend the best years of my life pampering a cheaply built rustbucket, or do I want a no-hassle car that'll free up my time for all the better things that are now laid out at my feet.

Go buy the Yaris. You'll thank me later.
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Panda. After the shock of losing my 100HP I have learned to like the new one. Yes its definitely not as solidly built, but its OK. The twin air is a funny thing but also OK once you have got used to it and it goes quite well. It does burn fuel like a 90BHP car not like an 875cc one though. Toyota don't build any bad cars and I know the Yaris to be a decent driver. I nearly went for one as a company car a few years back.

The biggest factor to be considered when buying a new car is depreciation. In the end new cars are a money pit and the depreciation is the king of money eaters. Look closely at Parkers guide to see how much you lose each year on the different models.

Get a car from the before 1 April 2017 and pay much less road tax. You might be able to find a 'nearly new' one in this bracket. Nearly new can be had at very decent discounts and when you throw in the controllable service costs makes sense of spending more money to avoid repairs and service costs. It worked for me many years ago and I found I was driving a new car and actually paying less each month.

Yaris D4D is a great car. Its not a Panda though!!!

My advice. As you would expect. Buy a Panda they are so much cooler and just make you smile. Just remember the new one is a big monster compared to the last version. It looks like a bus when you see themparked together!

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...Buy a Panda they are so much cooler and just make you smile. Just remember the new one is a big monster compared to the last version. It looks like a bus when you see themparked together!

Pandas ruleOK
I agree that the current mode - which I have after a 100HP - is much more bulbous than the previous one - which my wife has - but the difference in size is actually minimal - both take up virtually identical amounts of room in the garage. (But the previous model is much more visually appealing.)
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