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Re: Psychopanda - qu'est-ce que c'est?

Your axle looks to be in very good condition. If you go for a 500 axle you'd probably recover most of the cost.

New axles for Panda and 500 are available on eBay - search "Fiat 500 rear axle"

There is also this supplier -
https://www.imaxle.co.uk/new-fiat-500-axle

There is plenty of clearance for standard panda wheels but do be aware that you will not be able to use the 100HP wheels.

I believe the Ford Ka and 500 use the same axle (they come from the same factory) but I have no proof by measurment. The 500 axle "could" be modified but you would need to make a jig for cutting and welding. Not something for the average DIY hack.
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Miscellaneous eBay specials...

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  • Nasty nylon strap replaced with a deluxe leather model.
  • Chrome indicator bulbs added to the front.
  • A wee silicone cup to stop all my money (all that money!) rattling about. And it matches my upholstery in a most pleasing manner!
  • And finally a bluetooth transmitter which connects to my factory-fitted cassette stereo and means we don't have to listen to her mid-2000's Belgian mix-tapes any more! *phew* Ich hab ein Boot...
The blurb for the transmitter also states it gives a voltage readout, but I suspect this was all lies...
It does have a hilarious connection notification, though, a nice lady reassuring us that 'the.. ah-bwootoof device is... ah-connected... ah-successfuwy' which cheers me up every time
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Miscellaneous eBay specials...

a nice lady reassuring us that 'the.. ah-bwootoof device is... ah-connected... ah-successfuwy' which cheers me up every time
My lad has a Bluetooth speaker like that, and I love it - I turn it on with no intention of using it because it makes me chuckle.
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It does have a hilarious connection notification, though, a nice lady reassuring us that 'the.. ah-bwootoof device is... ah-connected... ah-successfuwy' which cheers me up every time
Benny Hill with his "Sirry irriot" and "I rike wimmin" jokes are so not dead.
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Some things are ALWAYS funny Flippin'eck, tho, maybe it is Benny Hill in there.

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Your axle looks to be in very good condition. If you go for a 500 axle you'd probably recover most of the cost.

I believe the Ford Ka and 500 use the same axle (they come from the same factory)
Aye, it had crossed my mind that this could be a purty cheap mod if I sell my axle afterwards. As everything's in such good nick I'm reluctant to remove it, but that 500 axle is getting very tempting...

Is 2012+ Panda axle also the same as the 500/Ford Ka?
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Is 2012+ Panda axle also the same as the 500/Ford Ka?
I cannot say for certain but they are sold as interchangeable. Also that model Ka was made in the same factory as the 500. It is basically a 500 with different body panels. Even the gear shift is the same.

This https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fits-Fiat...8AAOSwRsddSyPi is the 500/Ka axle. Picture 4 shows the ARB mount and the flared stub axle mounts.

This is the Panda axle https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brand-New...oAAOSw65Jc6AP7 Pictures don't have the same angles but you can see there are no ARB lugs and the stub axle mounts are flush with the swing arm tube. How about welding ARB lugs to the Panda axle and push a tube through? I'll measure the ARB on Mrs Dave's car.
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Re: Psychopanda - qu'est-ce que c'est?

Bicycle in a Panda I know, I know, it's mysterious
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I appreciate this is of 0 interest to 95% of people, but...

Whenever I choose a new car I always want to know first what it's like getting a bicycle inside it.

I have a couple of bike racks for those occasions when I have several bikes/people to consider.

When it's just me, my car and my bike, I prefer to keep the machine safely tucked up inside.

I believe it is possible to get a bicycle in any car, it just depends how much of a faff it is, how much has to come off the bike.

I've had my bike in a 2CV, front wheel hooked over the top of the open roof (yes all right I'm sure there's a better way but I had limited time and intelligence and a growing audience). I've also had my bike in an MX5 but I wouldn't recommend it. The MX5 boot isn't even big enough for one wheel by itself. I think bike, car and self carry the scars to this day.

I was amazed to find I can get my bicycle in my Panda without removing wheels or dropping the saddle

It's not even too much of a faff (I think. Although it depends how heavy your bike is).

For reference, I'm average build (5'10"/179cm-ish), my bicycle here is a 23.5"/60cm road bike with 700C wheels (It's an old steel frame, modern bikes have different geometry & measurements of course...).

I've just removed my mudguards for the summer months (ever the optimist...), I've had both road and mountain bikes in with mudguards fitted.
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  • Slide front seats fully forward
  • Open left rear door and boot
  • Remove parcel shelf and drop rear seat back. Cover with old duvet/heavy sheet to protect car and bike (the chainring rests on the rear seatback)
  • Lift bicycle in at an angle, chain side up of course
On a bike with drop handlebars, I found the front wheel needs to be swung upwards to the right side of the bike.
On my mountain bike with straight bars, I found the wheel needs to go the other way, downwards to the left side of the bike. This enables the straight bars to run across the left rear door, and between the front seat and b-pillar.
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  • Drop front wheel behind left front seat
  • Place rear wheel in right corner of boot opening
  • Carefully close boot lid (you may need to lift the rear wheel slightly from inside the car to make sure it doesn't get trapped)
  • Position stem/handlebars so that they don't get trapped and close the left rear door
  • Slide front seats back
The left front seat can not slide all the way back with my road bike in, so the driving position might not be ideal for larger drivers in left hand drive cars. Legroom is OK for passengers though. The seat can slide fully back with my bike with straight bars as the front wheel turned the other way sits parallel to the seat back. The smaller 26" wheels also enable the bicycle to sit slightly further back.
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It sits securely this way, the front forks and wheel pinned between the front and rear seats (you might not be too happy about this if you have fancy carbon forks/wheels), rear tyre is up against the boot lid and saddle is just clear of the headlining.

My old man is considering a van-type thing so he can wheel his electric bicycle in upright. Obviously the Panda would be no good for him, but until I need to go electric, I'm delighted with the versatility of my little 169 Panda

And when I do go electric, I'll probably go for one of the front hub motor arrangements like this, and I'm sure it'll still go in a Panda.
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Re: Psychopanda - qu'est-ce que c'est?

I have a Cannondale Jekyll 1000 mountain bike compete with Lefty fork. It will go inside the car but its a heck of a faff and has to b laid on dust sheets to protect the car interior. It's just easier to strap the bike carrier to the back door and bungee the bike on there.

A tow bar carrier would be even better and not silly money
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fixed-towbar-hook-swan-neck-Fiat-Panda-2003-2012/173753400248?hash=item2874827bb8:g:vD8AAOSwo4pYfgI X

Thule bike carrier
https://www.wiggle.co.uk/thule-970-x...yABEgJhE_D_BwE
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Thanks for that link, Dave, that looks like a great towbar kit.

I'd been wondering about fitting one, but don't really want to cut the bumper or have a permanent tow ball for the few times I'd use it.

That one looks ideal, and no cutting needed.

I also like the look of @A3jeroen's Westfalia detachable towbar here. Quite a bit more pricey, mind...

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That's a fine machine Aye, I guess with a tall front fork/high headset set-up, it could be a tricky fit in a Panda.

My Trek with front suspension was half-inched in that London place they have. I know, I should never have taken it in, I did once only because my daily boneshaker was out of action So now I'm back to the rigid setup.

I have a bike rack just like that Thule one, that clips on to a tow ball. It's my preferred type of rack, so quick and easy to fit. I just don't have a car with a towbar at the moment... yet...

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On a normal Panda, no cutting is required for the Westfalia. Mine lives near the battery until it's needed. Fitting it takes two minutes. Just don't loose the key.

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The ones I suggested look to have the U-shape tow ball fixing. There is a QD option for double the money or take the one held by two bolts. It will be off with a couple of spanners and 5 minutes.

I fitted a cheap tow bar to the Renault. It worked fine with a heavy trailer but did need some holes filing out to get the bolts through. That also had the U-shape under the bumper.
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Should you ever need hubcaps for you wheels, these are the ones I use, and they almost fit out of the box. https://www.outmotoring.com/winter-tire-hub-cap.html
I got mine used ofcourse. They are stainless, but often look rusty, because rusty bolts "contaminate them".

Rear tracking sounds interesting! Looking forward to that!

Thanks for the ebay link. I gow the exact ones, and had to hack the trunk key up as well. I think I will take my chances on a komplete fob next time, and see how that goes.

And thanks a lot for a clear guide to insert pictures in the best way (to my eyes). That should come in handy.

Have a nice sunday.
What is "rear trackin"?
I can't seem to get a danish translation that help explain it to me.
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Hi Muddur, 'rear tracking' or 'rear alignment' refers to this:
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Obviously all red boxes are supposed to be green, ideally +1.5mm of toe-in on each rear wheel and zero thrust angle.

It seems a few Pandas don't, due to 'relaxed' tolerances in manufacture and installation of the rear axle.

There is no provision for adjusting the rear toe or camber.

So if you take your car for four-wheel alignment, they'll be able to tell you how wrong it is, but won't be able to correct it for you.

I ended up adding shims to both rear hubs to stop my left rear tyre wearing out due to excessive toe-in.
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So "Alignment" = Toe in/Toe Out and camber?

(I know what Toe In/Toe out and scrub radius does (more or less )), I just never came across the term "rear allignment" in that context.

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My wife's 1.2 Dynamic has always tracked straight, both with the original rear axle and with the 500 rear axle.


My 100HP has always pulled left. New bottom arms, track rods (inner and outer), tyres replaced, different wheels (steels) - no change. The tracking was checked professionally before and after the replacement parts and both times show the rear is correct. I have not followed Jock's method for home checking so cannot argue, but it still pulls left.

I might get around to shimming the rear stub axles to see what difference it makes.
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