another "bright idea" from the govt
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another "bright idea" from the govt
You can just imagine the carnage, idiots.
Carnage indeed Boz this government now need to go and go quickly bunch of :tosser: the motorist is screwed for Billions each year and we get precious little back the state of our roads in our towns and cities is a testimony of their total incompetence 
you havnt aired your opinion on this Steve ?
you havnt aired your opinion on this Steve ?
Whats the idea with the trial? If an acceptable number of people stranded in the hard shoulder are not mown down by 40ft lorries in a given time frame then the plan goes ahead?
Maybe Alistair Darling will volunteer to be the first driver to park his car in the inside lane of the M42 to see how an articulated lorry at 56mph nimbly negotiates a blockage on the road....
Maybe Alistair Darling will volunteer to be the first driver to park his car in the inside lane of the M42 to see how an articulated lorry at 56mph nimbly negotiates a blockage on the road....
The Hard Shoulder will be come like a Buslane then... and hopefully like a bus lane no one will use it even when allowed.
I'm all for reducing conjection but there are other way, maybe more expensive but with the amount of revenue those speed scameras make I'm sure they could be afforded.
Simple enough, one thing most people have learnt by now is to look at why something is happening then work to improve it. I'm sure the motorways are not conjested because there aren't enough lanes, its probably to do with cars having to slow down as people join from slip roads and traffic lights that never change at the top of exit slip roads causing tailbacks on to the motorways.
Solution to 1: Paint some lines, that make everyone on the motorway already, have to use lanes 2 and 3. This will prevent people on the motorway from having to dodge cars that just join without observing AND let people joining can do so without ever having to slow down.
Solution to 2: IF it is a roundabout involved at the top of an exit slip road simply remove the traffic lights, I thought thats what roundabouts were for, to control traffic without electronic aid.
Furthermore to stop concertinering(SP) remove speed cameras, that way we have sudden braking and then long times to accelerate again.
I'm all for reducing conjection but there are other way, maybe more expensive but with the amount of revenue those speed scameras make I'm sure they could be afforded.
Simple enough, one thing most people have learnt by now is to look at why something is happening then work to improve it. I'm sure the motorways are not conjested because there aren't enough lanes, its probably to do with cars having to slow down as people join from slip roads and traffic lights that never change at the top of exit slip roads causing tailbacks on to the motorways.
Solution to 1: Paint some lines, that make everyone on the motorway already, have to use lanes 2 and 3. This will prevent people on the motorway from having to dodge cars that just join without observing AND let people joining can do so without ever having to slow down.
Solution to 2: IF it is a roundabout involved at the top of an exit slip road simply remove the traffic lights, I thought thats what roundabouts were for, to control traffic without electronic aid.
Furthermore to stop concertinering(SP) remove speed cameras, that way we have sudden braking and then long times to accelerate again.
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PNL said:Carnage indeed Boz this government now need to go and go quickly bunch of :tosser: the motorist is screwed for Billions each year and we get precious little back the state of our roads in our towns and cities is a testimony of their total incompetence
You know my view on this bunch of idiots Phil, its just a pity my party of choice has turned into it
Steve
I am all for variable speed limits, that seems to keep traffic flowing, but to use the hard shoulder is stupid. The only people that will benefit from that will be funeral directors and scrap salvage!I have seen a few cars shoot accross two lanes of traffic to then come to an almost abrubt stop on the hard shoulder, now put a truck that ain't gonna stop easily, and you have a serious accident that will cause a hell of a lot more congestion than not using the hard shoulder ever did.
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the cause of congestion is that there are more cars on the roads going slower speeds, slower speeds = more time per journey.
we need more lanes on the motorways, its ridiculous when a lorry/caravan overtakes doing like 65, they take a couple of miles to slowly creep past and everyone is forced to use the outside lane causing congestion with everyone backing up.
plus coppers dont help, whenever you see a large group of cars at 70 you know theres a copper sat in the inside lane doing 60-70, everyone else slows up till they can get past.
i dont like the idea of not having a hard shoulder, if you need to stop its usually pretty urgent, i dont fancy having to coast a couple of miles to a layby with smoke pouring out or no rubber on a tyre. neither do i fancy pulling up a nice steep embankment at 60!
we need more lanes on the motorways, its ridiculous when a lorry/caravan overtakes doing like 65, they take a couple of miles to slowly creep past and everyone is forced to use the outside lane causing congestion with everyone backing up.
plus coppers dont help, whenever you see a large group of cars at 70 you know theres a copper sat in the inside lane doing 60-70, everyone else slows up till they can get past.
i dont like the idea of not having a hard shoulder, if you need to stop its usually pretty urgent, i dont fancy having to coast a couple of miles to a layby with smoke pouring out or no rubber on a tyre. neither do i fancy pulling up a nice steep embankment at 60!
Jesus Christ, this is just unbelievable ! Those pr*cks in government never fail to amaze me:bang: . The hard shoulder is there for a reason, not just for broken down cars but also so emergency services can get to an accident sharpish:slayer: . Not only are we going to have more fatal accidents if this goes ahead but the emergency services wont be able to get there quick enough to prevent further deaths and carnage .
Id rather sit in a traffic jam for 2hrs knowing that if i start to overheat i can pull over to relative safety .
Im leaving my opinion at that for fear of going off on one!
! Those pr*cks in government never fail to amaze me:bang: . The hard shoulder is there for a reason, not just for broken down cars but also so emergency services can get to an accident sharpish:slayer: . Not only are we going to have more fatal accidents if this goes ahead but the emergency services wont be able to get there quick enough to prevent further deaths and carnage .Id rather sit in a traffic jam for 2hrs knowing that if i start to overheat i can pull over to relative safety
.Im leaving my opinion at that for fear of going off on one!
This is such a ridiculous plan but somehow they fail to suprise me with their silly plans these days.
There so many circumstances you can think of where coasting along hopefully to a lay by just ain't good enough eg. blow-out or worse fire!!
Just think of all the people who have had tickets in the past for un-proper use of the hard shoulder that will kick off when all of a sudden they decide that actually we don't even need hard shoulders.
We all know this will end in tears, why can't they see it???
There so many circumstances you can think of where coasting along hopefully to a lay by just ain't good enough eg. blow-out or worse fire!!
Just think of all the people who have had tickets in the past for un-proper use of the hard shoulder that will kick off when all of a sudden they decide that actually we don't even need hard shoulders.
We all know this will end in tears, why can't they see it???
Morritt said:
I don't agree with what your saying there, with lorries overtaking it's the muppets that dont read the road properly, 90% of people jump straight into the overtaking lane, even though it's often not going any faster, then there's the fool thats right up the lorries ass, then jumps into the overtaking lane without matching the speed of that lane, causing panic braking!
As for the coppers doing 60-70, well they are the law and they don't break it. I don't get what the problem is, again it's muppets that won't overtake a copper unless they are creeping passed. People see a cop car in front and panic brake. Most of the groups of traffic on motorways that I have seen are nearly allways caused by idiots panic braking.
Panic braking is my biggest pet hate on the motorway! If people read the road properly, and didn't bunch up in the first place there should hardly ever be a need to brake on the motorways! If there's enough distance in front of the car, chances are lifting off slightly will keep the gap large enough! Without the whole motorway comming to a stand still becuase a few people braked in panic!
jenks69 said:
Agree with all apart fromt eh bit I've highlighted in bold, I also drive "normally" when the traffic Five-0 are about, I wouldn't risk overtaking them at 75-80 Traffic Police are the bordest and there job is to pull traffic for whatever.
One night (early morning) I was on the way home from Kent and I was making excellent progress. Flying on a long downhill stretch of the M2 at 3am I saw a que of traffic, you don't expect to see a que of traffic at 3am. The que were doing 70 on the dot. I was going to just pull out from the middle lane and fly past everyone.. then I thought... no.... there must be a reason so I joined the que and patiently waited, a few cars pulled off the motorway at the next, each car that came off I closed the gap on the car infront until eventually I saw a Traffic Police Car (5 Series Estate, the worst kind
) tootling along at dead on 70.... why would they do that unless they wanted to do someone?Bored I tell thee.... bored!
Have to agree with Trancendental - panic breaking and people not reading the road are major causes of traffic problems. But also the middle lane hoggers who sit there all day long doing 50mph...
The police should concentrate on improving this situation before looking for other options. If you add another lane to the motorway, people will still sit in the middle lane not making full use of the road!!! Education and enforcement of 'proper' driving need to take precedence...
Also think hard shoulders are necessary as I would not like to have to take my 19 month old son (& heavily pregnant partner) for a long walk down the side of a motorway to find a safe spot/layby where we could then wait for help!
The police should concentrate on improving this situation before looking for other options. If you add another lane to the motorway, people will still sit in the middle lane not making full use of the road!!! Education and enforcement of 'proper' driving need to take precedence...
Also think hard shoulders are necessary as I would not like to have to take my 19 month old son (& heavily pregnant partner) for a long walk down the side of a motorway to find a safe spot/layby where we could then wait for help!
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They sit at 70 because it's the law! If you go passed them you are breaking the law and then they have full right to book you, boredom has nothing to do with it - just rules and regs. A complete pain in the butt though.
I got pulled on the M42 for having a light out, I overtook the copper at 70 - 75, he was doing about 60, he accelerated and he flashed me a few hundred yards on. I waited until a refuse area to pull over rather than block the hard shoulder, he was absolutely sound, about the speed I was doing, he actually said it's nice to see someone use a bit of common sense! No gaurentees they'd all be like that, and yes I did ask him if me doing a little over 70 was a problem!
and then they have full right to book you, boredom has nothing to do with it - just rules and regs. A complete pain in the butt though. I got pulled on the M42 for having a light out, I overtook the copper at 70 - 75, he was doing about 60, he accelerated and he flashed me a few hundred yards on. I waited until a refuse area to pull over rather than block the hard shoulder, he was absolutely sound, about the speed I was doing, he actually said it's nice to see someone use a bit of common sense! No gaurentees they'd all be like that, and yes I did ask him if me doing a little over 70 was a problem!
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Nope its definetly the lorries/caravans. They do take forever to overtake!
Motorways should be 4 lanes - then there is no middle lane to hog!
As for them sitting at 70... We were cruised past by a police volvo on the M6, I don't think I could have kept up with him even if I'd booted it to 100! The law doesn't seem to apply to some of them!
Motorways should be 4 lanes - then there is no middle lane to hog!
As for them sitting at 70... We were cruised past by a police volvo on the M6, I don't think I could have kept up with him even if I'd booted it to 100! The law doesn't seem to apply to some of them!
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:tosser: it takes long enough for ambulances to get to crashes as it is, my friend had to wait for 35 minutes for an ambulance when there was a motorcycle crash outside her house. Too many people will die because of this. i for one think its one of the most stupid ideas i have ever heard of.
steve1219 said:You know my view on this bunch of idiots Phil, its just a pity my party of choice has turned into it
Steve
Sorry I'v been away from the PC for a bit I am trying to help my lad with the decking:bang:
Yes I know what your feelings are about with the currant administration but the W**ker syndrome unfortunatly also extends to the other parties so where does that leave us somewhat up a gum tree me thinks
Start your own political partyPNL said:S...where does that leave us somewhat up a gum tree me thinks
It's a right you have.I think the hard shoulder should remain for emergency use only. Look at 4 lane motorways - same problems as 3 lane ones - people still head to the outside lane regardless.
I once followed a BMW in the outside lane, who I wanted to pass (I was in the Coupe at the time). I was very patient. After a while, I checked what the mileage was on my odometer. The BMW eventually moved over. It was 53 miles leter...
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living in oz they had it even better.a hard shoulder on both sides of the m/way so if you had a problem in the outside lane you could pull over
also kind of off topic but if you were turning right at a set of lights you stay in the left hand lane so you are out of the traffic and wait for the filter.makes sense when your used to it
also kind of off topic but if you were turning right at a set of lights you stay in the left hand lane so you are out of the traffic and wait for the filter.makes sense when your used to it
baz_78 said:
:yeahthat:
The M.L.O.C (Middle Lane Owners Club) cause congestion by forcing faster traffic into the outer lanes. The number of times one can drive on a motorway with the traffic bunched into lanes 2 and 3 while the inside lane is empty for miles ahead is unbelievable. And it's just as bad late at night when the motorway is empty and still someone drives in the middle lane of an empty motorway. I've even see someone drive on an empty motorway in the OUTSIDE lane of the M1, going past all the signs that say 'Keel Left Unless Overtaking'... :nutter: :tosser: These people force other road users into the outer lanes, and someone driving correctly in the inside lane and going faster will be forced to cross four lanes of traffic instead of two to overtake.
If driving standards were enforced more then that would go a long way to improving conditions/ congestion on our motorways... :idea:
