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Re: What's made you not grumpy but not smile either today?

I know BMW have added touch and gesture - but I don't know anyone who actually prods at their screen. We have a number of cars with the latest iDrive in the fleet - everyone still uses the controller.

Touch screens are bad because they get covered in fingerprints and you have to concentrate to keep your hand steady enough to hit the buttons needed.

As for car play etc., it has gained momentum where manufacturers saw it as a cheap way to get tech onto the touch screen.

But it only works on touch screens (hence BMW not supporting it in the past) and decreases functionality vs. iDrive apps. (Deezer, Spotify and Amazon Music - possibly even Apple Music) which allow multi-tasking and split screen displays in my car. You have to switch apps if you're using car play, for example.
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Re: What's made you not grumpy but not smile either today?

You're comparing something that was about a 2 grand option to something that's basically free in most modern cars.

I agree it's a cheap way of bringing this tech into cars..but given my head unit cost less than fitting gesture control to a new 5 series you'd hope you got some advantages.

Not entirely sure what the obsession with prodding at the screen is. Mines been cleaned once..after I first got it, it occasionally needs a dust but you don't get fingerprints on something you use by voice control and steering wheel buttons. Literally get in, plug my phone on the USB..and don't touch it or my phone until it's time to get out again.

As mines aftermarket I could actually circumvent the car versions and go full screen mirroring which allows you to watch I player, films and browse the internet..but I don't, although it's cool when you are waiting for someone..I even have the handbrake switch connected so if you are in android auto and make more than a momentary gesture on the screen it goes black and displays the message "focus on road".
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My 05 Panda has an aftermarket Pioneer radio fitted. Auxiliary in connects my iPhones audio. I set it up on the newly added gap below the single din radio with the mic pointed out. I use the Hey Siri command to trigger it and ask for directions , music etc. Does perfectly and the iPhones noise cancellation means I can have good conversations while driving. No looking away from the road. Yet my car has no built in microphones or steering wheel controls.

New Panda will have Bluetooth and mics and that handily little stand. Sure itís a cheap way out for Fiat, but it means a new phone is a new system over the years
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My 05 Panda has an aftermarket Pioneer radio fitted. Auxiliary in connects my iPhones audio. I set it up on the newly added gap below the single din radio with the mic pointed out. I use the Hey Siri command to trigger it and ask for directions , music etc. Does perfectly and the iPhones noise cancellation means I can have good conversations while driving. No looking away from the road. Yet my car has no built in microphones or steering wheel controls.

New Panda will have Bluetooth and mics and that handily little stand. Sure itís a cheap way out for Fiat, but it means a new phone is a new system over the years
If you don't mind, what fascia did you use? The stereo I've ordered for the panda is double din but I'm looking at a cheapo fascia on eBay was wondering what sort of fit they were. Not expecting factory fit bit reasonably looking is all I want
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If you don't mind, what fascia did you use? The stereo I've ordered for the panda is double din but I'm looking at a cheapo fascia on eBay was wondering what sort of fit they were. Not expecting factory fit bit reasonably looking is all I want


Some cheap eBay job way back in 2015. Did a disaster job at fitting it, itís superglued in! Couldnít get the pioneer wiring / harness to fit in right. Needless to say itíll be intact until the bitter end for the car! Things rammed in there good!

Not great to be honest. Though the Panda dash would suit a full double din touchscreen perfectly!
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You're comparing something that was about a 2 grand option to something that's basically free in most modern cars.

I agree it's a cheap way of bringing this tech into cars..but given my head unit cost less than fitting gesture control to a new 5 series you'd hope you got some advantages.

Not entirely sure what the obsession with prodding at the screen is. Mines been cleaned once..after I first got it, it occasionally needs a dust but you don't get fingerprints on something you use by voice control and steering wheel buttons. Literally get in, plug my phone on the USB..and don't touch it or my phone until it's time to get out again.

As mines aftermarket I could actually circumvent the car versions and go full screen mirroring which allows you to watch I player, films and browse the internet..but I don't, although it's cool when you are waiting for someone..I even have the handbrake switch connected so if you are in android auto and make more than a momentary gesture on the screen it goes black and displays the message "focus on road".
Pro Navigation was standard in my car. In fact, it's now standard in a lot of BMWs.

I spend half my working life in the car, sometimes even more... I browse music, radio channels, check traffic info, or even check the trip computer.

This can all be done with the dial, the screen would be a mess by the end of a week if it was touch screen.
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Another bank holiday weekend, and the sound of sirens most of the day.
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Pro Navigation was standard in my car. In fact, it's now standard in a lot of BMWs.

I spend half my working life in the car, sometimes even more... I browse music, radio channels, check traffic info, or even check the trip computer.

This can all be done with the dial, the screen would be a mess by the end of a week if it was touch screen.
I can do all those things in both our cars..without touching the touchscreen.

It's easier if you do for some operations but I have a microfiber cloth in the glovebox for interior cleaning.

Tbf though I would more likely check the traffic and music on my way to the car, then on plugging it in that information is immediately ready without having to press anything at all.
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Credit to anyone who can get voice control to ever work properly in any car. It's the most frustrating and distracting load of old cobblers ever fitted to cars. Even worse than a glossy touch screen.

I check the traffic whilst en-route, when I start a journey, the traffic may be fine, but I'll look at alternatives if RTTI gives me an alert.

Touch screens really shouldn't be in moving vehicles, regardless of how good the voice control is. And it's universally useless if you actually spend a lot of time in cars.
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Credit to anyone who can get voice control to ever work properly in any car. It's the most frustrating and distracting load of old cobblers ever fitted to cars. Even worse than a glossy touch screen.

I check the traffic whilst en-route, when I start a journey, the traffic may be fine, but I'll look at alternatives if RTTI gives me an alert.

Touch screens really shouldn't be in moving vehicles, regardless of how good the voice control is. And it's universally useless if you actually spend a lot of time in cars.
Well I'm Geordie, don't so much have an accent as I've got a speech impediment yet it works for me. Clearly I'm not going to say "how wor kid tek us to the chippy" but if you speak English and spend 30 seconds learning the format commands need to be in it's fine.

So something that does the same thing the idrive does is universally useless? That's an interesting argument.

Also you say touchscreens are distracting but are quite happy to take your eyes off the road to look at a traffic map? I-drive or touchscreen, the information is still relayed via a screen which you control with hand movements. Having said that Googlemaps uses both it's own data and owns Waze so you tend to find yourself on the fastest route..there has been a few times where it had interrupted my music to tell me there has been an accident ahead causing x delay and offering an alternative so you don't tend to need to mess about doing that manually.

I tend to use mine to actually go places I know the way to, not because I'm worried about getting lost, but because it has mobile speed camera warnings and is linked to business listings. So if we pick a day out, and put it in the nav the system will warn us if it's currently ridiculously busy, if theres traffic or cameras on the way and if it's going to be shut when we get there. Not necessarily essential information but if you have it to hand might as well use it.
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We will never agree on this, mostly because we both use the in-car tech. in very different ways and obviously have significantly different use profiles of our cars.

iDrive is held up as the example of how to make in-car tech. work - in all group reviews the BMW always wins the in-car tech. section.

My issue with touch screens is that you require significant extra concentration to reach forward and hit the 'target' on the screen as the car moves about. A fixed controller, where your arm is stabilised, is quicker and less frustrating.
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Re: What's made you not grumpy but not smile either today?

Fair enough, but compared to most proprietary manufacturer systems Android Auto and Car play are better and are under continuous development..and give every car you use them in the same capabilities.

That's the thing, if you've ever used a 3 year old e-my way system in a Peugeot or the frankly pathetic system that Mazda fitted as standard to cars of the same vintage as mine then you would realise there's nothing more distracting than a system you don't trust/doesn't work as it should.

Proprietary systems are fine for the 1st owner of the car..or should be though most owners forums beg to differ but 5 years down the line they are embarrassing 10 years down the line it looks like an etch a sketch. Most manufacturers don't tend to follow through with supporting their operating systems once the new model is out.
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This very much smacks of “Ive tried one thing, it does what I want and I’m not prepared to try anything else”

It’s very clear from the comments that you’ve not used android auto or CarPlay.

They do all the things you’re praising the bmw system for but as pointed out can be fitted to any car and not just to a £30k+ single manufacturers cars. Also as I’ve repeatedly pointed out the latest editions of idrive are touchscreens with Apple carplay, because that’s what people want and that’s the easiest streaming system to use.
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Re: What's made you not grumpy but not smile either today?

Normally wouldn't post this but given the thread of the conversation, story that just dropped today:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cne...l-update-2019/

Android Auto getting a refresh, big news is a new (and presumably slightly car play inspired) interface change. Also in car screens are getting wider so it can now detect that and compensate, redesign for opening apps to require fewer screen presses. Oh and they added that multi screen thing from idrive.

Coming soon to every android auto user for free.

This is why proprietary systems are doomed, can you imagine BMW or any other manufacturer recalling all its cars to fit the latest system for free? They never would because they make money from planned obsolescence, it's how they encourage you to upgrade.

But in the case of manufacturers whose systems have never worked properly, it is a nice easy way out, give the customer screen and any car can have top end nav and infotainment options...even if its attached to pound shop speakers and amps.
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Car manufacturers have always hard installed their software. It "can" be updated but only by the dealer when the do the silly money service routine.

Tesla update over the net just like any mobile phone, but upset them (e.g. by doing you own servicing) and updates stop. Another major own goal as they'll simply cause values of older cars to collapse.
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