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Re: Tell me about Punto 1.3 dizzle

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I would be willing to put a new chain in myself if it wasnt something a seller was sure about

this would be a second car but when it did get used its mainly up the motorway for 40 miles, and back, and occasionally for work which is a hilly 12 mile drive

some sellers are making a point that these cars have only £30 a year tax, is that right?

I think the tax on my 1.4ZR is about £230 a year, so anything cheaper than that would be welcome
Chain failures are rare and they tend to make a racket if there is a problem.

These cars do benefit from £30 tax a year, even my 1.6 multijet Evo is only £30 As is my 2.0L 150hp VW golf Cabriolet. Welcome to the wonderful world of low CO2 Diesel engines.

If the chain did break the rockers are designed to break and save the valve so not a catastrophic engine fail. The water pump is separate and belt driven. Does not run off the cam chain (or belt like in most cars)

The diesel particulate filter is a dumb filter that captures soot, to be effective the filter needs to get nice and hot meaning long runs at higher speeds. The heat then burns off the captured spot, if you donít do this then the filter will eventually clog.
You can get fuel additives that help the cleaning process but generally you donít need any chemicals or liquids. Adblue is for new large engine vehicles that produce high levels of NOX, not seen a fiat yet that needs adblue, again my 2.0L 2015 euro 6 golf doesnít even have adblue.
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Adblue is a complete system that injects some urťa based liquid before a special catalytic converter to reduce NOx when certain conditions are met (mainly temp). It's NOT an additive as its name would suggest, and peeing in your reservoir wouldn't help reduce your NOx ;-)

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Re: Tell me about Punto 1.3 dizzle

My 1.3 multijet Punto is going quite well so far with fairly low maintenance,

Apart from when I first bought it, knowing its current problems,

I've replaced front brake pads, diesel filter, glow plugs, air filter twice, oil filter twice, motor oil 3 times (used Penrite 5w 40), bought some vacuum pipe (about 500mm to replace some split ends), tighten up air intake hoses, replace battery, replace alternator (didn't know when I bought it, someone had put the incorrect one in), replace aux belt, ripped out the cheap chinese hids and replaced with standard halogens, replaced the front speakers with my donor vectra's ones (sooooooooo much better - also did the rears with new fusion 2-way ones but gonna take them out and and put the vectra ones in - will be much better), replaced 6 or 7 tyres due to 17in rims and a fairly low profile on my rocky driveway and 2 nails, so it now has 15in rims from an astra,

Next job is replacing tyres and rear shocks to pass a mot/rego check
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How did it go changing the glowplugs ?? Cheers....
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Changing the plugs was an easy job, no problems,

Reason I changed them was because when I bought the car, it was giving the glow plug message on the cluster lcd, so instead to checking each one, I just changed them all and kept the old as spares, guess I'll find the stuffed one when the time comes on the other hand, I could just buy new ones for $25 each or so
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Quote Originally Posted by Qube O View Post
How did it go changing the glowplugs ?? Cheers....
Getting the cables uncoupled proved worse than the actual unscrewing of plugs with mine.

The 'shielding' of the cap meant any penetrating lubrication struggled to get in there..

I posted in the tech. Section.
With the job on the 57 reg grande. Dead plugs meant non starting in winter..

Will do the 07 this summer.. has a glow warning flash on occasions.

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Hi, Yept, I am concerned that one of the little 'bleeders', will shear off on me in the head, or worse still the 'heater end' may become detached and fall into the combustion chamber, either way a disaster waiting to happen.............have spoken to a couple of garages/repairers, including my normal (non franchised) Fiat expert, and the are unhappy about taking the work on..........so do I keep the car or chop it ?? That is the question..... Cheers Qube O.
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What!!

Qube O, are pondering wether to change the plugs or scrap the car??
I may have missed something,

It's really quite an easy job, I'm sure you can do it,
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Re: Tell me about Punto 1.3 dizzle

Hi, Yept you heard right.....apparently Fiat used two different kinds of Glowplugs, first has a 'bit of meat' to its body, the second which I have is the size of a standard lead pencil, with the heat tip on the end like the lead...........hence even the Fiat Dealers are giving warnings about what may happen should they try and change them.......possible head off job. Jury is out at moment..........Cheers.
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Re: Tell me about Punto 1.3 dizzle

Quote Originally Posted by Qube O View Post
Hi, Yept you heard right.....apparently Fiat used two different kinds of Glowplugs, first has a 'bit of meat' to its body, the second which I have is the size of a standard lead pencil, with the heat tip on the end like the lead...........hence even the Fiat Dealers are giving warnings about what may happen should they try and change them.......possible head off job. Jury is out at moment..........Cheers.
I think you are right to be wary. My experience of glow plug renewal is that they either come out relatively easily in which case it is a quick and quite easy job to do. Or they don't and you rapidly reach the stage where you wish you hadn't started and are holding back the desire to hit everything with a very big hammer!

The older engines I used to work on were usually not too bad with 8 valve heads and short "fat" plugs. Modern 16 valve heads tend to use much longer and thinner plugs which makes them a pain when they corrode or seize in place. Lots of releasing oil and gentle working to and fro sometimes works and I think - if it's an alloy head - doing it with the engine hot helps as the ally will expand slightly more than the steel of the plug? However, if it snaps, taking the head off is really the only satisfactory way to deal with them. Unless someone knows better? I see several manufacturers are now selling mini impact guns specifically for this job but far too expensive for the average man at home in his garage. I do wonder if an electric screwdriver, wound up to max on it's torque limiter, might work?

On much the same subject, getting injectors out of some of these modern diesel engines is equally difficult for much the same reason - they are much longer and thinner than the older designs - and a steel injector in an ally head? just asking for a nice case of electolytic corrosion! There are providers now who have specialist hydraulic jacking equipment who will come to you to remove "impossibly stuck" injectors at, I believe, anywhere up to £1,000 a time!! The old J2's I first worked on would come out with a "tap and a tug" - didn't realize how lucky we were in those days.
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Uhh, I think fiat should give you the right type of plug that is used for car after you give them your VIN number, then you can opt for the more or less expensive,
Also if you took it to a dealer or other mechanic, any work they stuff up on your car is their fault and they should fix it, unless you sign some hidden waiver,

Why does it sound like people are weary of doing glow plugs anyway? I mean I had never changed them on a fiat before and my first time I did change them was simple,

Just take your time, plus I think if you're willing to scrap the car (is a little bonkers to me - sorry), you should give it a go, or take it to a shop,

Also if you can get one out, take a photo of it,or if you have a friend or another car, drive to an auto shop and show them the glow plug and see if they can sort you out
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The ones in my GP's 1248mj

Were skinny things compared to the old JTD plugs.

And YES I did take great care to NOT have an issue..

Soaking for days.. then practicing removing
Airfilter..etc.

So they could be removed HOT.

Only got 2 out easily.. so more soaking..and did others a week later.. once HOT of course.

1 had a dead short.. so car was BAD for cold starting ( 1.5 volts to each plug.. )
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Those plugs the totally f*****d,

I just had a thought,

Trying not to sound like a waste of money by the way,

What if you buy two sets of glow plugs and rotate between them in small ish intervals, like change the current set at 40k or 60k to the other set, so they get too hard or risky to change, and vice-a-versa until you can't be bothered to do it anymore....

Maybe
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Those plugs the totally f*****d,

I just had a thought,

Trying not to sound like a waste of money by the way,

What if you buy two sets of glow plugs and rotate between them in small ish intervals, like change the current set at 40k or 60k to the other set, so they get too hard or risky to change, and vice-a-versa until you can't be bothered to do it anymore....

Maybe
Or simply remove, test and refit them during the yearly service, no need to buy a second set, just get one spare in case one gets bad ...

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Or that,
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