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Worn wishbone control arm bushes

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Has anyone replaced their wishbone / lower control arm bushes? I canít seem to find the parts, does the entire control arm need replacing?

Here is a video of my current issues, I asume itís worn bushes? 1.9 sport.


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Re: Worn wishbone control arm bushes

The whole arm needs replacing.

You should ideally do both sides as well.

From Fiat in May 2014 they cost £174 inc VAT each.

http://shop4parts.co.uk are selling these arms today at £46.20 each.
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Re: Worn wishbone control arm bushes

Thanks you both. Wow £174 each 😲 Iím probably going to do them myself unless there is anything particularly Ďfiatí about them haha
Thanks very much for the pointers, I looked around and could only find the whole arms so this makes sense I really appreciate your help confirming this.

Is it advisable to do the anti roll bar bushes also at the same time, they are deteriating too. Also is it advisable to do drop links also, at least one has a split in too 🙄

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Re: Worn wishbone control arm bushes

Common sense will tell you that if things are worn/split & deteriorating as you point out, new items are tht answer & of course replace in pairs.
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Re: Worn wishbone control arm bushes

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Thanks you both. Wow £174 each Iím probably going to do them myself unless there is anything particularly Ďfiatí about them haha
Thanks very much for the pointers, I looked around and could only find the whole arms so this makes sense I really appreciate your help confirming this.

Is it advisable to do the anti roll bar bushes also at the same time, they are deteriating too. Also is it advisable to do drop links also, at least one has a split in too

Thanks again
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I replaced those bushings, I woudent do it again. You can find complete new ones with bushings installed for as low as around 60Ä. Check out retailers as autodoc for example.
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Re: Worn wishbone control arm bushes

The original bushes and ball-joint are TRW.
I've replaced mine with TRW parts and they were good for about 5 years.
You can find them separately sold by TRW, and for about 50gbp you'll have good as new control arms, if you don't mind doing a bit of work.

In reality only the back bush goes bad....and maybe the ball joint.
Of course, get all the parts so you can have them at hand when doing the job.. also have some paint.. and sand paper+wire brushes... as you're removing them.. there's no better time to paint them, fight back the rust.

TRW part code for the rear bush: JBU744
TRW par code for the ball-joint: JBJ807


The original ball joint is riveted onto the arm... you grind them down, then knock them out. The new one comes with nuts and bolts (the nuts should be on the underside of the arm (twords the ground) else they will interfere with tightening the ball-joint pinch screw)
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Thanks aurick86 - really good info. Iím probably inclined to replace the entire wishbone, Iím only a simple DIY mechanic but it looks easy enough. How easy is it to reattach the ball joint?
Is the whole job doable jacked up on axle stands?

Does anyone have experience replacing anti roll bar bushes?

I think these are the ones but canít find a part number - https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=s...475&sku=318921

There are also these listed for same vehicle that look indentical but they also have other listed as fitting that look different.
https://m.euspares.co.uk/parts/tedgum/8522208

Thanks again for all your help 👍🏼
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Re: Worn wishbone control arm bushes

ARB=anti roll bar
LCA=lover control arm
Replacing the ARB bushes is more involved that replacing the LCA (or LCA bushes).
There is a strap that i think is spot welded in place... you'll need to use a cold chisel to get it out (i might be wrong).
Get some pictures and prove me wrong
For the ARB bushes you need to get the right bushes for the right diameter bar.. there are quite a few bars out there 17,19,21mm (there may be others).
Measure the bar you have (use calipers) the search the web.. Fiat Stilo ones are the same... just make sure you get the right size.

There is no Fiat part code for the ARB bushes.. as they recommend replacement as a complete unit (bar + bushes)


LCA is totally doable alone on jack stands.. i've done it.... basic set of wrenches and sockets, hammer, and a pry-bar
You can cut the old one out with a hack saw... and getting the new one in sin't that difficult especially if you have access to a wise.... or even easier if you can rent/borrow a bush/bearing puller.

If you want to buy the whole LCA.. get some from a recognized good quality brand(TRW, Lemforder, SWAG, etc) . No point in installing crap.
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Quote Originally Posted by aurick86 View Post
ARB=anti roll bar
LCA=lover control arm
Replacing the ARB bushes is more involved that replacing the LCA (or LCA bushes).
There is a strap that i think is spot welded in place... you'll need to use a cold chisel to get it out (i might be wrong).
Get some pictures and prove me wrong
For the ARB bushes you need to get the right bushes for the right diameter bar.. there are quite a few bars out there 17,19,21mm (there may be others).
Measure the bar you have (use calipers) the search the web.. Fiat Stilo ones are the same... just make sure you get the right size.

There is no Fiat part code for the ARB bushes.. as they recommend replacement as a complete unit (bar + bushes)


LCA is totally doable alone on jack stands.. i've done it.... basic set of wrenches and sockets, hammer, and a pry-bar
You can cut the old one out with a hack saw... and getting the new one in sin't that difficult especially if you have access to a wise.... or even easier if you can rent/borrow a bush/bearing puller.

If you want to buy the whole LCA.. get some from a recognized good quality brand(TRW, Lemforder, SWAG, etc) . No point in installing crap.
Thank you so much for the advice itís great thanks. I forgot about the Stilo, I have been browsing those forums just, lots of info over too thanks.

Is it possible to do each side bush of the ARB at a time with removing it completely? Is the spot weld under each bolt hole of the mount holding the bush onto the bar as in this photo? It sounds difficult, may need to get some help but I asume once separated the mounting bolts hold it all back together?
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Re: Worn wishbone control arm bushes

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I changed ARB bushes, holder is not spot welded, its pressed around nuts one piece with other







I had one anti roll bar from Delta 2008., so i could dismantle ARB holder by drilling nut seat. Dismantle holder on car id rather difficult, as said, chisle and hammer. Anti roll bar is not round on place where ARB bushes are, it id "side pressed" and dimensions are 16x21



SO you need, 18-19mm center hole bushes
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Re: Worn wishbone control arm bushes

Wow great advice and photos thanks. Thatís a good thread thanks for sharing.
Going to order the parts and crack on once Iím back on my feet!
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Re: Worn wishbone control arm bushes

Great info and lots of DIY tips!!!

Quote Originally Posted by MikeG20 View Post
Check last posts

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I changed ARB bushes, holder is not spot welded, its pressed around nuts one piece with other







I had one anti roll bar from Delta 2008., so i could dismantle ARB holder by drilling nut seat. Dismantle holder on car id rather difficult, as said, chisle and hammer. Anti roll bar is not round on place where ARB bushes are, it id "side pressed" and dimensions are 16x21



SO you need, 18-19mm center hole bushes
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Re: Worn wishbone control arm bushes

Hi again, just for the purposes of keeping this thread useful and interesting I have uploaded a video of just how worn my particular bushes are (this is the same both sides)

I'm going to replace them (once I'll fully recoverd from a hospital procedure I had recently) then see how it sounds and handles before I take on the anti roll bar.

I might do a video at the same time since I've learnt a lot about this suspension system as a whole whilst I've been housebound researching haha, it might be useful for others since the Bravos are now reaching that age these things are going to start needing replacement.

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Re: Worn wishbone control arm bushes

This last video is a bit misleading.. that movement is pretty much normal even with new bushes.
It's in the design of the bushes.. they have a lot of give.
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