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I did not mention NZ because they did an awful good job over there. They went the way of just zero virus and succeeded. I talked about liars in Europe (islands included) and the US.
The concerning lady lied about circumstances in Europe as i understood the post. Quote: "Claimed she had friends touring Europe not noticing anything different from normal. Just the same as regular flu etc."

Neither NZ nor Australia were countries in question concerning the discussed post.

The car show was only a word to take over imaginable images into European realities. I confess that that was not nothing more than a rhetorical trick.

Some more: People claiming others have said is something i just don't believe any more. The former US president used that sort of construction like many others around the world. Practically, that means that i don't have any proof for what i'm claiming to be the truth but others which are not to be named have. In my opinion such a construction is nothing else than a camouflaged lie.
I don't think the woman was deliberately lying. She just seemed to be happy to be wilfully ignorant. I suspect a conspiracy theory nut. So I saw no point in continuing the conversation.
Things are sort of normal here but there is a constant stream of people appearing at MIQs (managed isolation quarantine) with infections which keep people on edge. Although in our district there has only been one case in the past year so the whole situation seems quite surreal.
Included a photo of the cars. (held in Palmerston, Otago on Sunday31st January 2021) There was a mint FIAT 500 that had been driven from Omaka in South Otago which is quite a tough drive over a few big hills and 100 miles (164km)
 
First lockdown was very quiet.
This one, being at home so much highlights the outside noises. A little wildlife, birds chirping, the odd squirrel in the garden, but so much noise from people. Cars coming and going, each needing lots of revs to pull away downhill, all doors needing to be slammed, plus now, minor building work two houses up.

Plus the inevitable movements of lockdown breakers.
A silver Peugeot is a regular visitor. At least once a week, sometimes twice. I thought it was granny visiting, and hoped support bubble, but today as she left, (alerted by two doors slamming for one person) I saw what looks like mop and other cleaning stuff in the back seat. (Why does no-one ever put luggage in the boot?) Is this granny visiting, and helping with the home cleaning, or is this a cleaner breaking lockdown?

Another car there earlier, never seen before, so another visitor.
Then loud voices out the back. Neighbour, sitting on his patio, with his mate, coffee and loud chat. About a metre apart, facing each other, no masks. Genius.

If we assume this is typical, just in my tiny locality of about 75yds, extrapolate this and there's hardly a lockdown at all.
 
Oh well, here we go. On the news that "our" new variant virus seems now to be taking on some of the South African/South American variant characteristics. Also, on BBC 4, whilst I was making the afternoon tea, They now think that over 80 year olds, vaccinated with "our" Astra Zeneca stuff have very little acquired immunity against these new variants. Apparently they've been analyzing samples taken.
 
Up here although my village is very quiet, only recently two lockdown breakers from Glasgow had to be rescued from Ben Nevis, this in turn putting lots of people in danger, the rescue team and it could be a domino effect after that. Still we have people coming up to the Highlands to “get away” from things down south. Sadly, me sounding like a grumpy git has consequences. Sadly, the virus spreads when selfish people come up here, that is how it works.
 
Oh well, here we go. On the news that "our" new variant virus seems now to be taking on some of the South African/South American variant characteristics. Also, on BBC 4, whilst I was making the afternoon tea, They now think that over 80 year olds, vaccinated with "our" Astra Zeneca stuff have very little acquired immunity against these new variants. Apparently they've been analyzing samples taken.

There's a guy does a daily update, collating data from the UK, US, Canada, and others, only reporting known good data, said some time ago, when the UK variant was first discovered, that the vaccine manufacturers were confident they could tweak vaccines for new variants if required.

Might have to look forward to more frequent jabs until herd immunity takes over.

One important report, was that even after just the first dose of the AZ vaccine, anyone who caught the bug became signifcantly less sick, and no-one has been hospitalised. So it looks like there is some good protection, even if not absolute.

Further to my post above. 5 minutes ago, two vehicles arrived, loudly, just down the road. Lad who lives there, always arrives and departs loudly, arrived at same time as his 'ex' neighbour arrived to visit his parents. So there they are, the lad who lives there, his wife, and the 'next door visitor' chatting happily, no further than a metre between them, no masks.

My fault, I chose to buy at the 'cheap' end of the town, unwilling to take on a bigger than manageable mortgage. Generally, 'more wheels than brain cells'.
 
Up here although my village is very quiet, only recently two lockdown breakers from Glasgow had to be rescued from Ben Nevis, this in turn putting lots of people in danger, the rescue team and it could be a domino effect after that. Still we have people coming up to the Highlands to “get away” from things down south. Sadly, me sounding like a grumpy git has consequences. Sadly, the virus spreads when selfish people come up here, that is how it works.

Put the mountain rescue into lockdown too. Put up signs saying, 'no rescue available'. Then let them find their own way back down, or not. The birds need to eat.
 
The biggest problem with vitamin D is the habit of prescribing it with calcium. Leading to calcified arteries, which is of course the fault of the vitamin. I can't be the calcium can it?

Well look here right at the top of the list.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10408398.2020.1841090
Vitamin D deficiency aggravates COVID-19: systematic review and meta-analysis 04-Nov-2019
Conclusion
In conclusion, the results of the meta-analysis confirm the high prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in people with COVID-19, especially the elderly. We should add that vitamin D deficiency was not associated with COVID-19 infection. However, we observed a positive association between vitamin D deficiency and the severity of the disease.

The also state that it offers no prophylaxis effect. You are no less likely to catch the disease but are more likely to have a better outcome if your D status is good.

Here's another by Chinese researchers.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S120197122032600X
Conclusion - This systematic review and meta-analysis indicated that low vitamin D status might be associated with an increased risk of COVID-19 infection.

This one is from 2011
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2011.04261.x
An update on vitamin D and human immunity (2011).
Ten years ago and still argued over by the mainstream. Quote:
The current review summarizes these developments, with specific reference to the newly identified effects of vitamin D on the immune system, but also highlights the challenges in translating these observations to clinical practice.

Another from 2011
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22013980/
Vitamin D status in patients with chronic plaque psoriasis P Gisondi. et al
Vitamin D deficiency may be common in patients with psoriasis, especially in winter.
© 2011 The Authors. BJD © 2011 British Association of Dermatologists.
 
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But a careful use of words by the BBC.

Why, because they said “died with COVID” that’s what we’ve been saying all along. He could have died from heart failure, it’s just he happened to have COVID, someone could be hit by a bus but of they had COVID then they died with COVID.
Nice that you couldn’t let it go though!

The biggest problem with vitamin D is the habit of prescribing it with calcium. Leading to calcified arteries, which is of course the fault of the vitamin. I can't be the calcium can it?


This is why you just need to quit it, because you have no idea what you’re actually talking about.

We prescribe vitamin D with calcium for people who are low in calcium not people who are low in vitamin d. You cannot absorb calcium in the gut without vitamin D
Vitamin D will increase the calcium levels in the body even without a supplement. Arterial sclerosis doesn’t work like lime scale build up in your washing machine the mere presence of calcium in the blood stream does not = arterial calcification there are biological processes that go on causing calcification of arteries, which in response to you comment has little to do with prescribing calcium, and everything to do with peoples life style and age.

It’s all very good looking up lots of research papers, but 1,you don’t really seem to understand them, and 2, you don’t seem to have bothered to look up and understand how Vitamin D actually works and what it does.

Now to clarify I’m not claiming the body does not need vitamin D that would be stupid, what I’m saying is your continual claims that taking high levels of Vitamin D as a fix all is nonsense and may put people at risk of harm if they were to follow your advice, what people should do is go and speak to their doctor.

You are not a doctor.. nor a prescriber, you can’t just say that everyone should start taking high doses of a medication because you read it somewhere on the internet
 
Vitamin D with calcium prescribed by a doctor for a patient suffering from osteoporosis is essential and should be taken as prescribed.
Don't be put off by anything in this thread if you or your loved ones have been prescribed vitamin D with calcium.
Osteoporosis is a nasty painful debilitating condition.
 
Published scientific reports that are suddenly crap shows why we are struggling to solve this virus problem. We should be hitting this from all angles. Anti blood parasite meds are another weapon against viruses that we should be using. We know the side effects (minimal) and we know the costs (its cheap). Low Vitamin D is well proven to adversely affect the immune system. There is no need for special studies with reference to Covid. We know the elderly are often low and we know we all struggle for lack of sunlight especially in winter.
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FACT CHECK
Two rapid reviews by public health agencies in England have concluded there is insufficient evidence to determine whether vitamin D supplementations could have a role in reducing the risk of respiratory tract infections, including covid-19.
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2629
 
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