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As your experiences detailed here support, "proper" flue is pretty nasty, especially as you get older. Just after new year Mrs J went down with it. after a couple of days of taking to her bed and feeling progressively worse she started having quite serious difficulty with her breathing. I decided enough was enough and made another call to our doctor who asked a couple of questions and said "call an ambulance right now and tell them of the breathing difficulties" The ambulance arrived very quickly and whisked her away to the Western General where she was tested and quickly diagnosed with Flue "A". She continued to deteriorate ending up with pneumonia and on oxygen. I was later told she had been near to death several times over the two weeks she spent in isolation there. I myself got quite "poorly" for a few days, much worse than simply a bad cold, but I managed to shrug it off all right - might have been her flue bug? I seem to have quite a strong constitution and am seldom ill. Doing "battle" with the car parking facility at visiting times was "interestingly chaotic", stressful and very time wasting. I've since questioned as to whether it could have been Covid but I've been assured it was definitely Flue "A" as an actual test was administered.

When young, at the "military" boarding school I've mentioned elsewhere, I caught Flue at the end of the winter term and, despite being young and very fit, had to stay in the school infirmary over Christmas. I only got home for a few days before having to return for the spring term. So I too know what flue is like and it's not to be taken lightly.

So folks, don't skip the inoculation! Ours are being administered via a drive through at the docks on Saturdays and Sundays (unlike last year when our doctor did it) No actual appointments, you just turn up in your car on one of the three or four weekends designated for your surname and join the crawling queue - by all accounts it's all a bit of a shambles with the team just not turning up on some days, so people go only to find no personnel in attendance! I'm well known at our local pharmacy where we collect our "life sustaining" medication and I mentioned it to one of the girls there (our neighbour's daughter in fact) and she said "Oh we can do that here" It seems they get their own supplies! so we are getting ours next week, at the pharmacy in his wee consulting room, administered by the trained pharmacist. It's all under the NHS provision so, as we qualify being over 70, we don't have to pay and we don't have to go and do battle down on the dockside.

In fact I think this has all been quite poorly arranged as our doctor's surgery, apart from knowing they weren't doing it this year, only knew to tell us to go on the NHS Scotland website to find out what's going on. This presupposes that you have, or have access to and can use a computer. Although not good with computers I'm not totally useless but quite a few of our friends don't even have a computer and can't use the internet. Finding out via the NHS website what we were required to do took me over an hour and at first we were told to go to Dunfermline! That's miles away on the other side of the Firth of Forth. Difficult enough in a car (and I would need to be sure of toilet facilities away from home that long) and ridiculous by public transport. I rang the 0800 number and, after quite a wait, they confirmed Dunfirmline but when I pointed out all the problems with this they made me hang on the phone for maybe 20 minutes, eventually coming back to say they thought there was a computer problem and that we should go to Victoria Kway. That took me a few minutes to understand but of course the person on the 'phone was not a local person, didn't know that Victoria quay (pronounced "Key") was in the docks so probably was pronouncing it as spelt?

Deary me, it would be only too easy to sink into a pit of endless despair! Now we are hearing rumours there are difficulties with the pharmacy obtaining supplies of the vaccine so we may yet be queueing down at the docks!
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There's a lovely saying, "You look out of the bedroom window and see a £20 note in the road. If you can go and fetch it, you have a cold, if you can't, you have flu."
That is spot on. I was so ill that even going to the toilet felt like a polar expedition.

Vitamin D is an important factor for immune health. It helps the immune system (a) respond quickly and (b) not over-react when it does respond. Flu and CV-19 are nasty for causing the over-reaction.

Unfortunately the medical system despite it's own evidence still recommends just enough D3 to keep your bones ok while not enough for ideal immune health.

You can dose up on D3 avoiding anything with added calcium or better get a blood test and dose accordingly.

This is an Italian study on Psoriasis (an auto-immune condition) where they found that increased vitamin D resolved the condition. There are many similar studies showing the benefits of higher dose vitamin D.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22013980/

Gisondi has done a lot of work on the vitamin D. Heres another where he suggests it helps protect against skin cancer due to UV stress.
https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._keratinocytes

This is the nutrition perspective -
https://www.todaysdietitian.com/newa.../1216p48.shtml
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Yes, vitamin D+K2, calcium+magnesium and B complex.
Especially for older people

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Yes, vitamin D+K2, calcium+magnesium and B complex.
Especially for older people

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bga_qG30JyY
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Hi Jimboy,
"Looking back, the only positive was I lost weight, a stone," what's that a Stone (Pierre). I thought even before i left the UK in Jan 1992 everything was in Kilos
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Hi Jimboy,
"Looking back, the only positive was I lost weight, a stone," what's that a Stone (Pierre). I thought even before i left the UK in Jan 1992 everything was in Kilos
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People here Pierre, still use pounds and stones while talking to each other, but when in shops you refer to metric terms. Never really gave it much thought before, just the way it is.
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This says vitamin D RDA should be between 600 and 4000 IU.

https://www.completefoods.co/diy/nut...52ac43284d2dde

Though NHS is happy if you just meet the 600 IU.
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Hi Jim,
i remember doing my apprenticeship in HM Dockyard Portsmouth as a Fitter and Turner from 1965 to 1969. First 8 months in the Fitting Shop doing lots of test jobs. Always given Imperial Drawing and Metric Micrometers or the opposite. So it has been second nature to convert between the two measurement systems.
However there are many examples of the two working together e.g.
Plumbing pipe dia in Metric and fittings in Imperial(bsp/bsg).
Wheels and Tyres Dia Imperial but Width of Tyre in Metric.
For me from the time the UK adopted the Metric System we spoke Metric.
The big exception being when you spoke about your Weight then for some reason it was in Stones and Pounds. Same for Temperature often still in įF.
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info pierre is french for stone
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As your experiences detailed here support, "proper" flue is pretty nasty, especially as you get older. Just after new year Mrs J went down with it. after a couple of days of taking to her bed and feeling progressively worse she started having quite serious difficulty with her breathing. I decided enough was enough and made another call to our doctor who asked a couple of questions and said "call an ambulance right now and tell them of the breathing difficulties" The ambulance arrived very quickly and whisked her away to the Western General where she was tested and quickly diagnosed with Flue "A". She continued to deteriorate ending up with pneumonia and on oxygen. I was later told she had been near to death several times over the two weeks she spent in isolation there. I myself got quite "poorly" for a few days, much worse than simply a bad cold, but I managed to shrug it off all right - might have been her flue bug? I seem to have quite a strong constitution and am seldom ill. Doing "battle" with the car parking facility at visiting times was "interestingly chaotic", stressful and very time wasting. I've since questioned as to whether it could have been Covid but I've been assured it was definitely Flue "A" as an actual test was administered.

When young, at the "military" boarding school I've mentioned elsewhere, I caught Flue at the end of the winter term and, despite being young and very fit, had to stay in the school infirmary over Christmas. I only got home for a few days before having to return for the spring term. So I too know what flue is like and it's not to be taken lightly.

So folks, don't skip the inoculation! Ours are being administered via a drive through at the docks on Saturdays and Sundays (unlike last year when our doctor did it) No actual appointments, you just turn up in your car on one of the three or four weekends designated for your surname and join the crawling queue - by all accounts it's all a bit of a shambles with the team just not turning up on some days, so people go only to find no personnel in attendance! I'm well known at our local pharmacy where we collect our "life sustaining" medication and I mentioned it to one of the girls there (our neighbour's daughter in fact) and she said "Oh we can do that here" It seems they get their own supplies! so we are getting ours next week, at the pharmacy in his wee consulting room, administered by the trained pharmacist. It's all under the NHS provision so, as we qualify being over 70, we don't have to pay and we don't have to go and do battle down on the dockside.

In fact I think this has all been quite poorly arranged as our doctor's surgery, apart from knowing they weren't doing it this year, only knew to tell us to go on the NHS Scotland website to find out what's going on. This presupposes that you have, or have access to and can use a computer. Although not good with computers I'm not totally useless but quite a few of our friends don't even have a computer and can't use the internet. Finding out via the NHS website what we were required to do took me over an hour and at first we were told to go to Dunfermline! That's miles away on the other side of the Firth of Forth. Difficult enough in a car (and I would need to be sure of toilet facilities away from home that long) and ridiculous by public transport. I rang the 0800 number and, after quite a wait, they confirmed Dunfirmline but when I pointed out all the problems with this they made me hang on the phone for maybe 20 minutes, eventually coming back to say they thought there was a computer problem and that we should go to Victoria Kway. That took me a few minutes to understand but of course the person on the 'phone was not a local person, didn't know that Victoria quay (pronounced "Key") was in the docks so probably was pronouncing it as spelt?

Deary me, it would be only too easy to sink into a pit of endless despair! Now we are hearing rumours there are difficulties with the pharmacy obtaining supplies of the vaccine so we may yet be queueing down at the docks!
Right at the start here I want to say how eternally grateful I am to the absolutely wonderful staff at the Western General hospital who unarguably saved Mrs J's life earlier this year. Without these wonderful people and their great skills I would now be living on my own. The box of luxury chocolate biscuits I took in to them seemed so utterly inadequate I felt embarrassed!

Now down to why I'm here. As we are getting near the dates they talked of to administer our flue jags I rang the pharmacy late yesterday to be told that the supplies seemed to have dried up and they had no idea when more would be arriving if at all! Oh well, it was a good plan whilst it lasted! What do they say in the forces? No plan, no matter how good, survives contact with the enemy! (Helmuth von Moltke the Elder - according to Wiki).

So, when we got up this morning, I thought "Damn it, let's just turn up at Victoria quay (it's only 15 minutes away in the car) and see if we can blag it" Worst that can happen is they turn us away because it's not our day or something but even then we will know the lie of the land. We had our Corn Flakes but forwent the cup of tea for "endurance" reasons and jumped in the car. We were expecting big queues of cars but as we approached Ocean Terminal there were lots of yellow signs saying "Flue Clinic" but almost no cars and most of them were going to the mall! Following the signs we got to the roundabout and turned off right towards the big private car park they are using for the clinic - Just one car in front of us going up towards the barrier gate and he pulls into the side (turned out to be a private hire taxi - maybe waiting on his fare). Now we are stopped at the barrier and a nice lady in NHS uniform in the toll booth asks "Flue inoculation?" Yes we say together. "just follow the yellow signs please". So we follow them round into the car park proper where there are cones all over the place obviously making up lanes, but, there's only four cars on the other side of the park where there is a large tent where it's obviously all going on. So drove straight across the park and got in line behind the last car - only two in front now - We were each given a form to fill in (Mrs J of course had a biro!) - pulled forward to the tent - two injections administered and we were given an info sheet and told to park up for not less than 10 minutes and read the sheet. after that if we felt Ok we could leave. So actually about 18 minutes later we were on our way again. Looking over as we drove out on the road parallel to the park I could see maybe 8 cars queueing and a similar number parked up waiting to leave.

So, for us, the experience was just about as good as it could be. Does make me wonder though how many of our cohort are taking advantage of the flue jags this year? could it be because it's all being organised on the internet via websites and there are just shed loads of us too incompetent or ignorant to navigate our way through it? Maybe there are droves of us sitting home waiting for the appointment letter to drop through the letter box like it always does - only this year it's not going to!

Got a slightly achy arm now, but that's probably good because I suppose it means the vaccine has "taken"?
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Got a slightly achy arm now, but that's probably good because I suppose it means the vaccine has "taken"?

No - it just means someone stuck a very thin piece of steel tube into a muscle in your arm!

However the pain is perhaps also a fair indication that your immune system is making antibodies in response to the vaccine
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I absolutely hate needles. I know itís unreasonable, any needle. The flu jab is a tiny needle, but I have this picture in my head of this massive jabby thing, but when the needle is in my arm itís all ok. Daft I know, I canít even watch this on TV, and when a face is added to the mix, itís worse
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Jim. try hard not to think about it. Nursey will tell you "Sharp scratch" and that's exactly what it (usually) feels like.

To be honest though this year's jab wasn't even a sharp scratch. Neither was theyear before last. I didn't even think the nursey had actually done it and I was still holding my sleeve up, looking at her waiting for her to do the job, and she said "That's it - all done" I was astonished - I'd literally felt nothing; however its all down to the person giving the jab...

I had to go to the chemist for the flu jab last year as I'd missed it at work.
My God! I have never ever had such a painful injection as that one!
The Chemist that administered it was very likely inexperienced or not conifident.
I mentioned that painful experience at the chemist's to the nurse that gave me the jab the other week, and asked why so?

Essentially she confirmed what I thought, saying you have to locate the muscle and just go for it. She said when she was a student nurse she'd also been too cautious, and too slow and caused some painful jabs. She described it as "You almost need to be blasť about it"

Either way its nothing to be really fearful of; just try not think about whats actually taking place; just think 'its just a very small sharp scratch"
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Thatís the thing Max, itís never painful, itís all down to the build up to the event, I canít stop it, itís been with me for years.
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Thatís the thing Max, itís never painful, itís all down to the build up to the event, I canít stop it, itís been with me for years.
What you're describing is more common than you might think. There's even a medical name for it - trypanophobia.

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In the dark recesses of my mind, I remember as a child in primary school in the early 60s all us kids, girls and boys lining up to get our treble injections, some of the girls were sobbing, and so was one or two boys. I do remember somewhere in the line that by the time itís my turn because of some children crying, I was becoming more and more uncomfortable.

I can only guess that if I was first in line or so, things may have been different. Thinking back, it was the build up, the jab wasnít really sore at all. So there we have it, funny when I think about it, Andy did make me think about it, and reading the link jogged my memory. When Iím having injections, I do let the Doctor or Nurse know about my fear of needles, and been told, itís more common than you think, so they were correct.
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