General 500 flushing coolant system

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General 500 flushing coolant system

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I’m doing this tomorrow as I got bits of crap in my coolant and so air as still getting that trickling noise behind aircon I roughly know what I’m doing thanks to this forum! I’ve been struggling however to find distilled water!!!!! I did buy some today at super but I just noticed it’s “smart” water with electrolytes haha can I still use it? Maybe a silly question.... but I’m not putting anything in there unless I ask first!
 
You can buy distilled water at ECP or Halfords I've used normal tap water(We have soft water here in the north east) that I boil first and have never had an issue.
Brim the system then pull off the bottom hose, pop back on loosely brim and repeat several times to flush most crap out.
 
Electrolytes are minerals as far as I know so I wouldn't be using that water. Then again, the levels are probably miniscule. I only use the pre-mix coolant in the TA but I've never had to flush it thus far.
 
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I collect rain water ( doesn't take long in England!) for use in the cars, adding with coolant and in the screen wash as you don't get scale spots on the glass.
 
Well got it done! Still having a hard time getting all the air out grrrrr had both valves open too...... I also fitted front fog lights I got off flea bay!! Got the whole kit inc switches .. didn’t need em but thought why not!! IMG_2772.JPG
 
The easy part is changing the coolant right enough, but at times bleeding can try your patience. Not sure about modern engines but back in the day you could burp the engine by leaving cap off & let the engine run for a while, this worked, but perhaps some one will clarify this.
 
The easy part is changing the coolant right enough, but at times bleeding can try your patience. Not sure about modern engines but back in the day you could burp the engine by leaving cap off & let the engine run for a while, this worked, but perhaps some one will clarify this.



I’ve been blowing down the coolant intake too can’t be a blockage as it was streaming out both bleeding valves ... it seems to have improved as I’m not hearing as much sloshing behind aircon heater blows hot when car up to temp .... I’ll just keep at it
 
If you type "Becky's timing belt - all done" into the search bar you'll see an account of how I did the bleeding on our Panda. I've since done the Punto as well and it worked fine too.

Regarding the water? I wouldn't get too "precious" about it unless you're in a hard water area or going to keep the car "for ever". Up here in Edinburgh our water is very soft and I know plenty of people who just use tap water without any issues. I myself buy Halfords de-ionized water - probably not quite as good as actual distilled water but better than the tap and mix it 50/50 with concentrate. I've seen no signs of ally degradation inside water pump or cylinder head castings. I flush with tap water from my garden hose. I certainly would not be doing this where my daughter lives down in Wiltshire. I'm appalled every time I look inside her kettle - wonder what her water heater tank looks like inside?
 
As above, you will find it easier with a column of water above the engine. For a cheap job I have used in the past an upturned coke bottle with the fat end cut off and the spout shoved into the rad/filler neck. Some material like a rubber bung will help seal things up. (this was essential on the saxo vtr as the bleed holes were above the filler neck also)
 
Well burped the system today used a new funnel full of coolant ran car heater ect god rid of a lot of tiny air bubbles no more sound of running water behind a/c if I do have to do it again I’ll do the pop bottle thing so I can get level higher
 
The system is self-purging, so there should be no need to bleed it.

I'm not 100% familiar with the 500 (the Younger Mrs S. only recently made me buy her Rasputin for her) but basically with an empty system, you just have to slowly pour coolant into the header tank and give it some time to work its way south.

Once you filled up the header tank to "MAX", leave the cap off.. turn the heater to "MAX" (you don't need the fan on, you just need to set the temp' dial to the Full Greta, so the hot water channel is open) and start the car.

As it idles, the water pump will circulate coolant through the heater matrix and out the other end, pushing out any air as it goes. Revving the engine slightly will help the pump push the coolant "up hill" into the heater hoses that pass throught the bulkhead.

As the level in the header tank drops, add a bit more in there to keep the level at or near "MAX".

If the heater hose at the bulkhead has a bleed screw, then you ought to loosen it until it's just about to come out. Air will come out first... and then coolant. As soon as you see coolant, tighten up the screw.

You'll only have a bleed screw up here if the hose is higher than the header tank "MAX" level and the heater matrix. I've not seen one on Rasputin, so you may not have one. It'll be easy to spot if you do.

There may or may not be a bleed screw on the back of the radiatore (could be on the upright, next to either top corner). As above, open the screw until coolant comes out, then tighten it. Don't remove the screw altogether.. you'll get coolant **** out and then you'll be trying to fit the screw in there and it'll make a real mess.

Don't blow down the header tank unless it's scupulously clean. Better still, get your next door neighbour's annoying kid to do it. :D Antifreeze is the most toxic thing on your car .. even though it looks pink and fluffy, it's more toxic for you than drinking engine oil. Don't get it on your mouth or face or anywhere where you can ingest any. On your skin isn't so bad.. unless you like KFC and don't wash your hands.

Anyways.. once you've done all that, level it off at MAX.. go for a spin, let it all cool down and then top up the system to MAX again. It's worth checking the radiator/heater inlet pipe bleed screws again too.. but you should only see coolant come out, not air any more.


Ralf S.
 
The system is self-purging, so there should be no need to bleed it.

I'm not 100% familiar with the 500 (the Younger Mrs S. only recently made me buy her Rasputin for her) but basically with an empty system, you just have to slowly pour coolant into the header tank and give it some time to work its way south.

Once you filled up the header tank to "MAX", leave the cap off.. turn the heater to "MAX" (you don't need the fan on, you just need to set the temp' dial to the Full Greta, so the hot water channel is open) and start the car.

As it idles, the water pump will circulate coolant through the heater matrix and out the other end, pushing out any air as it goes. Revving the engine slightly will help the pump push the coolant "up hill" into the heater hoses that pass throught the bulkhead.

As the level in the header tank drops, add a bit more in there to keep the level at or near "MAX".

If the heater hose at the bulkhead has a bleed screw, then you ought to loosen it until it's just about to come out. Air will come out first... and then coolant. As soon as you see coolant, tighten up the screw.

You'll only have a bleed screw up here if the hose is higher than the header tank "MAX" level and the heater matrix. I've not seen one on Rasputin, so you may not have one. It'll be easy to spot if you do.

There may or may not be a bleed screw on the back of the radiatore (could be on the upright, next to either top corner). As above, open the screw until coolant comes out, then tighten it. Don't remove the screw altogether.. you'll get coolant **** out and then you'll be trying to fit the screw in there and it'll make a real mess.

Don't blow down the header tank unless it's scupulously clean. Better still, get your next door neighbour's annoying kid to do it. :D Antifreeze is the most toxic thing on your car .. even though it looks pink and fluffy, it's more toxic for you than drinking engine oil. Don't get it on your mouth or face or anywhere where you can ingest any. On your skin isn't so bad.. unless you like KFC and don't wash your hands.

Anyways.. once you've done all that, level it off at MAX.. go for a spin, let it all cool down and then top up the system to MAX again. It's worth checking the radiator/heater inlet pipe bleed screws again too.. but you should only see coolant come out, not air any more.


Ralf S.



Thanks for that!! A few details I didn’t know and a few I did .. did both bleeder screws seems to have done the trick! I did blow down the tube but I had cleaned it first ... I’m going to flush my heater core hopefully tomorrow.. so I’ll add your info to mine can’t go too wrong with all this info ... so thank you I really appreciate the help! More than you know!
 
Hopefully you won't find any more of that cat **** in the system.. :D

I admire your persistance to getting the beast sorted out. :) I've had loads of second-hand cars that have had strangeness done to them.. and it's taken months if not years to track down and fix all the random bodgery that's gone on.

It's funny that when everything is back to how Fiat made it, the car is super reliable and works for years without any further problems (just loads of other, different problems... but then I guess cars would be boring if they were completely faultless.. :D)

Good luck with the Gucci.. they're unusual and nice enough that they need to be kept going.. :)


Ralf S.
 
Hopefully you won't find any more of that cat **** in the system.. :D



I admire your persistance to getting the beast sorted out. :) I've had loads of second-hand cars that have had strangeness done to them.. and it's taken months if not years to track down and fix all the random bodgery that's gone on.



It's funny that when everything is back to how Fiat made it, the car is super reliable and works for years without any further problems (just loads of other, different problems... but then I guess cars would be boring if they were completely faultless.. :D)



Good luck with the Gucci.. they're unusual and nice enough that they need to be kept going.. :)





Ralf S.



I love my car haha she has given me some sleepless nights though but all the effort is worth it!! And all the help and tips from everyone on here is priceless!! When I joined I had no clue about engine’s and so far I have learned a lot I was naive and thought I’d just have to look after the aesthetic... turns out engine’s are quite fun to look after!!
 
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