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While I was driving today, a question came into my mind. We all have 4 wheels and tyres on the vehicle we own and either a spare in the boot or one of the alternatives...

For those who change to Winter Wheels / Tyres, what do you use if a spare is needed ? Do you have 5 wheels / Tyres or as I assume the majority do, only have 4 ?

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Do people really have tyres for different seasons?
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Yes. If they all replied, you would be amazed at the number who do.
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I've been driving and owning cars since 1970 as an eighteen year old.
That's 45years so far.

I have never ever bought winter tyres and I have no intention of buying them either.

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I've been driving and owning cars since 1970 as an eighteen year old.
That's 45years so far.

I have never ever bought winter tyres and I have no intention of buying them either.

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To be fair Mick, that could be slightly shortsighted. Where you live, you don't really need them anyway and if I still lived in the South West, I wouldn't bother either. However where I live now, they are a Godsend in the winter months and when we had very heavy snowfalls over the last couple of previous winters, me and the wife were getting into work when others could not.

The one thing that does get my back up, are the people who reckon they are such fantastic drivers in heavy snow, that they can drive perfectly normally on their summer season tyres because somehow they are excellent drivers and it's all to do with getting the right gears, keeping at a certain speed etc. What an absolute load of bull. I've driven up my local steep hill in heavy snowfall and the Winter Conti's have just cut through the snow and got me to the top with no issues whilst I've watched so called 'experts' just slide backwards and into the kerb.

At the end of the day, I've just put four brand new Toyo Snowprox on 'er indoors new i10 for 150, hardly a bank breaker and the car sticks to the road like glue.

To answer Werdna's original question, I bought a full size spare for the 500, cost me 30 quid. I then bought a 30 event tyre to go on it. I managed to fit it in the wheel well without any issues. I'd rather have a proper spare than a stupid skinny tyre any day of the week.
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To be fair Mick, that could be slightly shortsighted. Where you live, you don't really need them anyway and if I still lived in the South West, I wouldn't bother either.
I suppose you think we've lived here all our lives?
I suppose you think that I never leave Cornwall?
I suppose you think we don't have ice and snow down here?

We're originally from Lancashire. We lived up in Scotland both east and west for years, we've been all over Scotland in all weathers and all seasons. I've commuted up and down the M73/M74/M6/M5 for months on end, plus commuted from Lancashire up to Scotland and also down to Portsmouth for years.

In my 45years of owning and driving cars all over this fair country of ours, I've never needed winter tyres.

I'm not getting argumentative here, and I'm not getting upset about this, but honestly I've never needed them or even considered them.

There are different points of view out there, and I'm not saying anyone is right or anyone is or wrong.

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I'm not getting argumentative either, merely informing you that winter tyres do work and anyone driving a rear wheel drive car will testify that in very cold conditions or heavy snow, summer tyres are just bloody useless. We know this because we used to own an MX5 and during one particularly bad winter a few years back, we couldn't use it for days because we just couldn't get off our estate. Having spent a winter down the Falkland Islands too, I know first hand the benefit of winter tyres. If you've never driven on or experienced winter tyres for any decent period of time, then I'd say one couldn't really offer evidenced opinion on their use.

Plus, don't forget, if like some of us you occasionally drive over to Germany during the winter months, you have to have winter tyres fitted by law over there during their winter, and in Austria and a few other countries where you can be fined for not having the right rubber on your car.

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice...ter-tyres.html
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I suppose you think we've lived here all our lives?
I suppose you think that I never leave Cornwall?
I suppose you think we don't have ice and snow down here?

We're originally from Lancashire. We lived up in Scotland both east and west for years, we've been all over Scotland in all weathers and all seasons. I've commuted up and down the M73/M74/M6/M5 for months on end, plus commuted from Lancashire up to Scotland and also down to Portsmouth for years.

In my 45years of owning and driving cars all over this fair country of ours, I've never needed winter tyres.

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not too long ago a 165 width tyre was a big one, so most dug in a little come the soft stuff,
find yourself with something even wider on a lightweight panda or 500 , and you'll have SOME issues,
it's not the tread that makes the big difference for MOST use in winter though it's the fact that the softer rubber compounds actually WORK in the lower temps,

I always thought the brakes in my old 1.2 punto on 165's were poor,
I put my 1st ever set of winters on - "part used" and my next proper journey , Oxford to York + back on a bright December day was a revelation,
it felt so "right" that you could actually use the brakes/ handling to a great degree.

I've actually got some 135's on OLD panda wheels for when it gets REALLY bad ( 2 days every 3 years down here))

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A 2wd car on winter/snow tyres will out perform and more importantly be safer than a 4wd on summer or even worse chunky mud terrain tyres every time.

Maybe one of the most dangerous road user in snow is a poser in their 2.5 tonne SUV.

Ask me how I know

Me I either stay at home or use the G Wagen which does have snow tyres on it and as long as there's no ice anything less than 3 foot is OK
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I'm not getting argumentative either, merely informing you that winter tyres do work and anyone driving a rear wheel drive car will testify .................
Not had a rear wheel drive car since 1980.
Hillman Hunter and a couple of Hillman Imps.
Prior to those, I had a Triumph Herald and a Humber Sceptre.

Can't say I ever will have a RWD car again. Can't see the need or the desire. Neither can I see the need for winter tyres.

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A 2wd car on winter/snow tyres will out perform and more importantly be safer than a 4wd on summer or even worse chunky mud terrain tyres every time.

Maybe one of the most dangerous road user in snow is a poser in their 2.5 tonne SUV.

Ask me how I know

Me I either stay at home or use the G Wagen which does have snow tyres on it and as long as there's no ice anything less than 3 foot is OK
Some proof:

https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=wRjPykhLdP4
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=elP_34ltdWI

4x4 vs 2we
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=7l2cMlNRX_A
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A 2wd car on winter/snow tyres will out perform and more importantly be safer than a 4wd on summer or even worse chunky mud terrain tyres every time.

Maybe one of the most dangerous road user in snow is a poser in their 2.5 tonne SUV.

Ask me how I know

How do you know?

I'm in the correct tyres for conditions camp.
Watch one of the worlds best racing drivers on slicks when the the track gets wet and see how his buddies are with wets.
Try riding a super moto bike on slippy mud with summer sport tyres, then go again with off road tyres.
Not all tyres are the same
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A 4wd vehicle is rubbish on snow and ice if it doesn't have the right tyres. Mud terrain in particular are absolute cr*p on snow.
I was expecting a story about a Range Rover on 22's t-boning you
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How do you know?

I'm in the correct tyres for conditions camp.
Watch one of the worlds best racing drivers on slicks when the the track gets wet and see how his buddies are with wets.
Try riding a super moto bike on slippy mud with summer sport tyres, then go again with off road tyres.
Not all tyres are the same
A 4wd is rubbish on snow if you have the wrong tyres Mud terrain in particular are cr#p
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I was expecting a story about a Range Rover on 22's t-boning you
Yes they are the kn#bs I was referring to really

And yes it is wedged between the hedges. 3 diff locks and it went backwards faster than it went forwards
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