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Technical Fiat 500 Twinair - Turn start stop off permanently!

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Technical Fiat 500 Twinair - Turn start stop off permanently!

AGH1965 said:
My 500 doesn't have dualogic, but I made two test drives with a 500 with dualogic. It took me only a few minutes to find out that I could easily prevent S&S stopping the engine by releasing the brake pedal on time. Only if you keep your foot on the brake pedal, and annoy the people behind you with your brake lights, S&S will stop the engine.
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It can be turned off via the switch on the dashboard but regarding annoying people behind me with stop lights,I would prefer to let the person behind me be aware that I am stopped rather than having them collide with me if they are having a momentary lapse of concentration..
Brake lights are there for a reason.
 
Yes our old TA that we got rid of in July had the button to turn S/S off. We kept it turned off because the damn S/S system just played up all the time. Now we have an i10 that doesn't have S/S but the engine is so quiet that when sat at lights you wouldn't know the engine was running and that has almost caught me out a couple of times when the wife actually allows me to drive her car :p
 
Maurice70 said:
I would prefer to let the person behind me be aware that I am stopped rather than having them collide with me if they are having a momentary lapse of concentration..
Brake lights are there for a reason.
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Brake lights aren't meant to unnecessarily dazzle other drivers. Besides, by doing so you increase the chance that they will collide with you at the next traffic light.
 
AGH1965 said:
Brake lights aren't meant to unnecessarily dazzle other drivers. Besides, by doing so you increase the chance that they will collide with you at the next traffic light.
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So you're suggesting we do away with brake lights altogether?
Have your brake lights disconnected and lets see how long you can drive around before some unsuspecting driver that doesn't share your train of thought collides with you..

Not trying to come across as being facetious but I don't quite follow how using your brake lights when you are at a complete stop comes across as dazzling other drivers..

Rear fog lights when there is no fog yes can dazzle the driver behind you,but not brake lights..

They are there to notify the person behind you that you are stopping or have come to a complete stop,I didn't invent them,they have been like that since Henry Ford decided to impress his mates with his latest invention.

I have found myself in situations where I have almost had an accident with the car in front of me because their brake lights weren't working..
 
When you are stationary, you MUST set the handbrake. Having your foot on the brake pedal is exceedingly annoying to the occupants of the vehicle behind.

Since the advent of high-level brake lights, this has become worse.

Mick.
 
Maurice70 said:
Rear fog lights when there is no fog yes can dazzle the driver behind you,but not brake lights..
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Well, rear fog lights and brake lights are normally both 21 W and therefore equally dazzling other people.

Maurice70 said:
They are there to notify the person behind you that you are stopping or have come to a complete stop
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Only the first part is true.
 
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Mick F said:
When you are stationary, you MUST set the handbrake. Having your foot on the brake pedal is exceedingly annoying to the occupants of the vehicle behind.

Since the advent of high-level brake lights, this has become worse.

Mick.
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Is that a legal requirement over there Mick?

To me it's a non-issue. I've never found the brake lights of cars to be dazzling or annoying even when stationary behind a stopped vehicle at night. LED lights can be more intense but not exceptionally so. Non-functioning brake lamps are far more hazardous in my view.

While waiting to pull into our driveway (we're on a very busy road) I certainly hold the brake pedal down and, indeed, release and re-apply it a few times if a car is approaching too rapidly from behind - we've seen so too many nose-to-tail collisions right there. Besides that, if I do get hit from behind I want to be firmly on the brakes (with the wheels straight) to minimize being shunted into approaching traffic.
 
Piccolo Nero e Bella said:
Is that a legal requirement over there Mick?
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Not really, but it's good practice and certainly something drivers are taught and encouraged to do. I'm an Advanced Driver and it was drummed into me when preparing for the test.

Just imagine your foot slipping off ...................

Why have your foot pressing down on the brake pedal? Some folk even keep in gear with their foot on the clutch! :eek:
Why NOT set the handbrake, select neutral, and relax?

Obviously, if all you're doing is "pausing", there isn't an issue. But when actually stopped in a queue and waiting for (say) traffic lights, set the handbrake and select neutral. Simple, convenient and peaceful.

Piccolo Nero e Bella said:
To me it's a non-issue. I've never found the brake lights of cars to be dazzling or annoying even when stationary behind a stopped vehicle at night.
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Well, that's you, and this is me, and I find it terribly annoying, and it hurts my eyes - LED or filament lights.

I've often been on the point of getting out of the car and "talking" to the driver in front ............ but that's tantamount to Road Rage! :(

Maybe some folk don't get annoyed by the lights, but that's no excuse for not considering other road-users.

Regards,
Mick.
 
AGH1965 said:
Well, rear fog lights and brake lights are normally both 21 W and therefore equally dazzling other people.

Only the first part is true.
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If only the first part were true then I believe the world automobile makers would redesign their brake light systems to incorporate the brake light to turn itself off after the brake pedal is pressed for more than 10 secs..
 
Mick F said:
Not really, but it's good practice and certainly something drivers are taught and encouraged to do. I'm an Advanced Driver and it was drummed into me when preparing for the test.

Just imagine your foot slipping off ...................

Why have your foot pressing down on the brake pedal? Some folk even keep in gear with their foot on the clutch! :eek:
Why NOT set the handbrake, select neutral, and relax?

Obviously, if all you're doing is "pausing", there isn't an issue. But when actually stopped in a queue and waiting for (say) traffic lights, set the handbrake and select neutral. Simple, convenient and peaceful.

Well, that's you, and this is me, and I find it terribly annoying, and it hurts my eyes - LED or filament lights.

I've often been on the point of getting out of the car and "talking" to the driver in front ............ but that's tantamount to Road Rage! :(

Maybe some folk don't get annoyed by the lights, but that's no excuse for not considering other road-users.

Regards,
Mick.
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With all due respect,it must be different for you guys in the northern hemisphere compared to us down under..
Although I lived in Europe predominantly in Italy and France for 3 years and never came across this issue with annoying brake lights..drove for over a year in Hong Kong (although with that crazy traffic not much driving was done) and no issue at all..in fact with my close enough to 30 yrs of driving I've never come across this issue..

Having said that my initial question was in regards to being able to disable the start/stop feature on my particular car,hence why I came to this forum and asked in good faith,I certainly didn't expect for people to be getting their nose out of joint on a topic which quite frankly is off the original topic..
 
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Maurice70 said:
Having said that my initial question was in regards to being able to disable the start/stop feature on my particular car,hence why I came to this forum and asked in good faith,I certainly didn't expect for people to be getting their nose out of joint on a topic which quite frankly is off the original topic..
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Doesn't seem to be a way if you don't have the dashboard switch. There is no S/S fuse that I can see on my car that might disable it either. The S/S system is very sensitive to battery voltage so fitting a non-S/S battery might(!) stop it functioning - probably a bit extreme however.
 
Piccolo Nero e Bella said:
Doesn't seem to be a way if you don't have the dashboard switch. There is no S/S fuse that I can see on my car that might disable it either. The S/S system is very sensitive to battery voltage so fitting a non-S/S battery might(!) stop it functioning - probably a bit extreme however.
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Thanks for the previous reply as well..yes my car does have the dashboard switch and I do just turn it off whenever I remember or after the first time it stops whilst stationary..

I did have another idea which would involve a relay that would automatically switch the dashboard switch off once the car has started but I'll probably do that one day when I get bored enough I guess..

I might try going to the dealer and asking if they know if my car can benefit from the updated firmware first..
 
Maurice70 said:
Thanks for the previous reply as well..yes my car does have the dashboard switch and I do just turn it off whenever I remember or after the first time it stops whilst stationary..

I did have another idea which would involve a relay that would automatically switch the dashboard switch off once the car has started but I'll probably do that one day when I get bored enough I guess..

I might try going to the dealer and asking if they know if my car can benefit from the updated firmware first..
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Sorry Maurice, forgot that you mentioned you have the switch but it doesn't stay 'off'. A firmware update might very well be the shot since there doesn't seem to be any physical difference between our car's systems. Easier (and safer) than leaving the seat-belt undone anyhow.....;)
 
Maurice70 said:
Having said that my initial question was in regards to being able to disable the start/stop feature on my particular car,hence why I came to this forum and asked in good faith,I certainly didn't expect for people to be getting their nose out of joint on a topic which quite frankly is off the original topic..
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You are absolutely right that the discussion about brake lights is off-topic, but my remark about releasing the brake pedal on time isn't. I find it a very easy way to prevent S&S coming into action (when driving a 500 with dualogic) and it might even annoy less people. Isn't that a win-win situation?
 
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