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Sorry Maxi, I certainly don't have to explain or justify to any forum member about why I personally find super bright led DRL's offensive. In my opinion, they are, simples!

There are forum members on here who should perhaps accept that there are those amongst us who don't much care for DRL's. I wonder how many of the folk who are ramming their opinions on this subject down everyone's throats were vociferously arguing for their introduction 30 years ago when the Scandinavians were putting them on their vehicles?

Quite frankly, I'm utterly bored with this thread. It's just posting the same guff over and over again. The pro DRL lobby can very obviously have this one 'cause let's face it, DRL's are here to stay. :sucks:
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frupi said:
Sorry Maxi, I certainly don't have to explain or justify to any forum member about why I personally find super bright led DRL's offensive. In my opinion, they are, simples!

There are forum members on here who should perhaps accept that there are those amongst us who don't much care for DRL's. I wonder how many of the folk who are ramming their opinions on this subject down everyone's throats were vociferously arguing for their introduction 30 years ago when the Scandinavians were putting them on their vehicles?

Quite frankly, I'm utterly bored with this thread. It's just posting the same guff over and over again. The pro DRL lobby can very obviously have this one 'cause let's face it, DRL's are here to stay. :sucks:
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Why sign up on a discussion forum and not discuss?
 
Because sadly Maxi, the thread has gone beyond reasonable discussion (imo!)

But of course, if people wish to keep going around the houses on the subject, then crack on! Is this going to end up the size of the winter tyres thread lol!

Peace to all! (y)
 
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frupi said:
Sorry Maxi, I certainly don't have to explain or justify to any forum member about why I personally find super bright led DRL's offensive. In my opinion, they are, simples!

There are forum members on here who should perhaps accept that there are those amongst us who don't much care for DRL's. I wonder how many of the folk who are ramming their opinions on this subject down everyone's throats were vociferously arguing for their introduction 30 years ago when the Scandinavians were putting them on their vehicles?

Quite frankly, I'm utterly bored with this thread. It's just posting the same guff over and over again. The pro DRL lobby can very obviously have this one 'cause let's face it, DRL's are here to stay. :sucks:
:peace:
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Oh errr.

So. Offensive or intrusive?

I like Maxi can't see how they're offensive. Someone sticking their fingers up at you maybe, but DRLs - seriously :confused:
 
gmore said:
Well..who don't like DRLs don't care at all about other road users (not 100% of the tie of course, but let's say that a majority of them don't), same as who use the bloody fog light when there is no fog, just because "it's cool".
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If you can't see a car in broad daylight... GET YOUR EYES TESTED.

Not my job to help you see.... but try www.specsavers.co.uk


Ralf S.
 
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I was driving along yeaterday and suddenly noticed a third brake light fitted to the car in front. It was fitted high up on the vehicle, along the centre line and directly in my line of sight. I checked my own vehicle and found that mine had one fitted too!!

Which Brussels based eurocrat has forced this imposition on me? I feel irritated to the point of being incandescent with rage. My human rights have been violated!! :eek: Surely it's going to improve my safety and that of the occupants of the vehicle in front! Back when I started driving there were only two brake lights:eek:ne for the left and one for the right wing. If that was good enough then, I don't see why it's good enough now. Afterall, I can see a brake light on my side and my passenger can see a brake light their side. Who is going to view this centre light? Makes no sense to me.

Any ideas on how I can turn it off? Surely there must be a menu option...?

Anyway, rant over, I'm going to look up the term facetious tosser in my urban dictionary to see how many comments I can expect.

(and seriously......if anyone tells me that there was a thread discussing the pro's and cons of centre line brake lights, I'm going to delete my profile off here!!:p)
 
Robnw67 said:
I feel irritated to the point of being incandescent with rage.
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Ralf S. said:
If you can't see a car in broad daylight... GET YOUR EYES TESTED.

Not my job to help you see.... but try www.specsavers.co.uk


Ralf S.
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I'll be guessing you've never ridden a motorbike? Anything to promote the recognition of a vehicle for defensive driving is a good thing.

DRLs are hardly 'offensive' - you might get a little glare on a very narrow viewing angle occasionally, but I'd argue that if you're troubled by this, you have more of an eyesight problem which could impede your sight in the dark with streetlights, headlights etc.
 
I was actually a motorcycle World Champion... so I know all aboot two wheels, ta. :)

The point you make is very pertinent though... when I was a lad, we learnt defensive riding techniques. These included anticpating what other road users were going to do, keeping your own speed appropriate and under control, a general awareness of what's going on around you (kids and pedestrians, ice-cream vans and taxis).. and also the weather and the road conditions, the location of white lines, over-banding, manholes, pot-holes.. the type of tarmac you were on, location where you could expect diesel spillages, nerg the nail, dog poo.. you name it. Even now, I can spot a 1cm raised manhole... :eek:

The lazy and the foolish just turned their headlight on... but in my experience this just developed in them an assumption that they had now made their contribution to road safety and that was that. What else could they now do? ;)

Rather than increasing road safety, this actually made them more careless and more vulnerable... since they stopped riding defensively and put all their faith in that tungsten talisman instead.

In our town, someone once famously pulled out in front of a fire-engine on the way to an emergency. They claimed they "didn't see it". If someone can pull out in front of a day-glo orange object, the size of a house, with headlamps on, flashing blues and a siren.. your little fairly lights really ain't gonna do it for you...

Think for yourself.

Lights off. Brain on. You'll live a lot longer. :)


Ralf S.
 
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I was actually a motorcycle World Champion... so I know all aboot two wheels, ta. :)

The point you make is very pertinent though... when I was a lad, we learnt defensive riding techniques. These included anticpating what other road users were going to do, keeping your own speed appropriate and under control, a general awareness of what's going on around you .. and also the road conditions, the location and types of white lines, over-banding, manholes, pot-holes.. you name it.

The lazy and the foolish just turned their headlight on... but in my experience this just developed in them an assumption that they had now made their contribution to road safety and that was that. Rather than increasing road safety, it actually made them more careless and more vulnerable... since they stopped riding defensively and put all their faith in that tungsten talisman.

In our town, someone once famously pulled out in front of a fire-engine on the way to an emergency. They claimed they "didn't see it". If someone can pull out in front of a day-glo orange object, the size of a house, with headlamps on, flashing blues and a siren.. your little fairly lights really ain't gonna do it for you...

Think for yourself.

Lights off. Brain on. You'll live a lot longer. :)


Ralf S.
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Mega facepalm over that post.
 
Ralf S. said:
I was actually a motorcycle World Champion... so I know all aboot two wheels, ta. :)

The point you make is very pertinent though... when I was a lad, we learnt defensive riding techniques. These included anticpating what other road users were going to do, keeping your own speed appropriate and under control, a general awareness of what's going on around you (kids and pedestrians, ice-cream vans and taxis).. and also the weather and the road conditions, the location of white lines, over-banding, manholes, pot-holes.. the type of tarmac you were on, location where you could expect diesel spillages, nerg the nail, dog poo.. you name it. Even now, I can spot a 1cm raised manhole... :eek:

The lazy and the foolish just turned their headlight on... but in my experience this just developed in them an assumption that they had now made their contribution to road safety and that was that. What else could they now do? ;)

Rather than increasing road safety, this actually made them more careless and more vulnerable... since they stopped riding defensively and put all their faith in that tungsten talisman instead.

In our town, someone once famously pulled out in front of a fire-engine on the way to an emergency. They claimed they "didn't see it". If someone can pull out in front of a day-glo orange object, the size of a house, with headlamps on, flashing blues and a siren.. your little fairly lights really ain't gonna do it for you...

Think for yourself.

Lights off. Brain on. You'll live a lot longer. :)


Ralf S.
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Though I do support the idea of DRLs, I agree with the sentiment behind this post. It's the same "now I'm safe" effect that has encouraged the rise of what are essentially armoured vehicles, in the shape of bloody great 4x4s in particular - "I don't really give a s--t if there's an accident, I'll be all right." If all vehicles had a really thin plastic bubble on the front that contained the driver, fully exposed to any impact, the standard of driving would improve enormously.
 
DRLs: a rant; but no apology...

babbo_umbro said:
If all vehicles had a really thin plastic bubble on the front that contained the driver, fully exposed to any impact, the standard of driving would improve enormously.
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If I remember correctly, Jeremy Clarkson once said, on QI, that the best way to make cars safe would be to have a bl**dy enormous spike sticking out of the steering wheel, instead of an airbag.... (One of the few times I've agreed with him -- having been hit, at speed, three times: and therefore needing almost as much metalwork in my neck as the late, great Barry Sheene had in his leg.)

To be honest, we can all drive as safely as we can -- but there will always be the super-confident, talentless tw*t, who believes that airbags, crumple-zones, and a tonne of steel around him (or her) makes him (or her) safe; but doesn't give a sh*t about those around him/her. (That's if s/he sees them in the first place.... The last two times I was hit -- rear-ended at over 70 mph -- I was in big German cars, with my brake-lights on: and the guilty parties claimed not to have seen me....)

I therefore think that DRLs; high-level brake lights; having non-road-coloured cars; maybe even wrapping all drivers and pedestrians (and the odd deer that runs out in front of me, round here, every few weeks...) in some sort of protective foam... -- i.e. anything we (or the law) can do, realistically and pragmatically, to make us all safer is a no-brainer. (And I've come far too close to losing my brain through other people's stupidity; lack of attention; arrogance, and aggressive driving, etc. than anyone should....)

Admittedly, DRLs would not have stopped me from being rear-ended -- both times on beautifully clear days... -- but they may save someone else from not seeing me, and stepping or pulling out in front of me. And if that's one less death/injury, then I'm all for them... -- which is why I...

  1. (wrongly or rightly) always drive around with my sidelights on; or, if it's a bit murky, with dimmed headlights (and fog-lights only when it's actually foggy...);
  2. have ordered every single safety feature I possibly can for the Panda; and
  3. am grateful and happy that it comes with sensible, non-blinding, high(ish)-level DRLs.

I accept this is a highly personal and somewhat emotional post (and, for me, incredibly unstructured...): but I believe that we are always so retrospective in this country when it comes to implementing road-safety measures: i.e. we need a certain number of fatalities, etc. before doing something. (Which, to me, is plainly crazy.)

I worked in Sweden for a while, by the way: and always loved -- as a pedestrian and cyclist -- the fact that cars were always ultra-visible: whatever the time of day -- especially as the sun can be quite low in the sky, there, even during daylight hours....
 
Saying turning DLR's off makes you a better driver as you focus more is one of the oddest things I have heard. Any motorbike rider who has any sense has their lights on because it works, it doesn't stop you being a safe driver in other respects, it adds to it. It's like saying driving without a helmet makes you less likely to have a accident as you will be worried about cracking your head open.

Sometimes people's belief in their own abilities outweighs reality
 
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