Panda (Classic) My Sisley, Panda 4x4 - division north

[kolza]

Can I use 4x4 999cc cam shaft with 1242cc to improve torque on low revs and ideally keep the mechanical petrol pump?

 

[kolza]

Just came back from Durham again, yes- i've been there last Friday as well.
First trip started with approx. 1h delay so after 2 hours drive i've arrived on the Scrap yard already past 5pm, two strong very nice chaps were expecting me and agreed to wait up to 30 min. There was no time for chatting etc. just loaded the "1.2 Punto 60 S " complete engine on the back of my estate, signed simple receipt, handed over £££ - job done.

Before collection DVLA reg no. database confirmed 1.2 punto.

Less the 15 minutes after 1ton Clarke strong man engine hoist was loaded on he back as well. That was perfect synchronisation - almost hard to believe. In all that rush there was one thing wich was bothering my all the way down to Scar'bo - engine code!!!
Hand wiring on the receipt was not clear at all, but the forth digit from the back was looking more like 2 not 3.

When returned to the "base" engine hoist was used streight away to unload the engine, simple wooden frame fabricate to hold engine in vertical position. Engine code was hard to read out as it was not the "punched" one just the "doted" print out, after 10 minutes it was clear enough to make statement - 176B2.000 .

Ohh bugger - 1.1 spi 1108cc - so, the fiat dealer made huge mistake when car was first registered or the 1.2 engine was already replaced.

Luckly for me, yard owner has agreed to take it back today and refund me with full amount but i'm back in starting point.

Lesson learned: get the engine code before any collection arrangements.

Ps. I'm lucky that my daily estate runs on LPG, 11p per mile isn't that bad.

 

[AndyPanda4x4]

Bad luck indeed mate, atleast you were on the ball enough to realise straight away and get it sorted

 

[firstcar-Y10]

So there's a scrappy in Durham with an 1108 engine lying around???

 

[kolza]

So there's a scrappy in Durham with an 1108 engine lying around???

Aye,

K B car & commercial, DH9 7R
They should be able to dig out the ECU as well.

 

[VmanC]

Can I use 4x4 999cc cam shaft with 1242cc to improve torque on low revs and ideally keep the mechanical petrol pump?

I think the camshaft will fit ok but the 1242 head won't have the hole for the rod that operates the fuel pump.

 

[firstcar-Y10]

Aye,

K B car & commercial, DH9 7R
They should be able to dig out the ECU as well.

ECU? what would I want with such new-fangled jiggery pokery?



..edit.. interestingly the spell checker doesn't like pokery but apparently jiggery is fine strange.

 

[panda panda]

So there's a scrappy in Durham with an 1108 engine lying around???

I'm very found of this engine - it's in my cinq, seems to rev so much better than the 999cc version!

 

[purple haze]

I think the camshaft will fit ok but the 1242 head won't have the hole for the rod that operates the fuel pump.

Vern...you should know better....

https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-cla...g-old-carburettor-fuel-pump-punto-engine.html

I've done this mod in the past...worked a treat.

 

[VmanC]

Vern...you should know better....

https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-cla...g-old-carburettor-fuel-pump-punto-engine.html

I've done this mod in the past...worked a treat.

Yeah I was aware of this but due high risk factor was reluctant to recommend it. Kolza should be well up to the job though.

 

[purple haze]

Yeah I was aware of this but due high risk factor was reluctant to recommend it. Kolza should be well up to the job though.

Have to say I never carried out the work....took it to a head specialist and had it done as part of a head rebuild.

 

[Giacosa]

I'm very found of this engine - it's in my cinq, seems to rev so much better than the 999cc version!

I remember driving a 1.1 Punto and thinking the same. Seemed to rev forever without sounding thrashed or coarse

 

[kolza]

Long time no update so here it is.
Sisley is driveable condition, already covered over 100 miles. Some of the local passable lane were done (Staxton Hill), but i'm still in the process of final tune.

As suggested the temp gauge is reading 15-20 degrees higher compared with other panda. When started from cold- choke on, engine runs fine, after warm up period idle is smooth- temp gauge stable at 100 deg. But under load or heavy acceleration engive hesitate to rev in. Setting off can be only done with choke out, when in neutral engine will rev up as should with preety rapid response. Today i'll try to fine tune the carburettor again, and confirm the acceleration pump is operating. Any suggestions? New ignition module and pickup coil is in my stock

I'm still convince that the problems are cause by the carb or fuel supply. I need to extend the rubber fuel hose to fuel filter to allow the filter itself to be leaned toward pump as now it's oposite so the petrol needs to be swirled/sucked up thru the filtering element.

 

[onemanmade]

Long time no update so here it is.
Sisley is driveable condition, already covered over 100 miles. Some of the local passable lane were done (Staxton Hill), but i'm still in the process of final tune.
As suggested the temp gauge is reading 15-20 degrees higher compared with other panda. When started from cold- choke on, engine runs fine, after warm up period idle is smooth- temp gauge stable at 100 deg. But under load or heavy acceleration engive hesitate to rev in. Setting off can be only done with choke out. When in neutral engine will rev up as should with preety rapid response. Today i'll try to fine tune the carburettor again, and confirm the the acceleration pump is working as should. Any suggestions? New ignition module amd pickup coil is in stock

I thought all Sisley's were f.I.r.e engines with single point injection?

 

[Bartpanda]

and confirm the the acceleration pump is working as should. Any suggestions?

... accelerator pump is my guess, or partialy blocked jet.

 

[JamieK]

I thought all Sisley's were f.I.r.e engines with single point injection?

I'm pretty sure all Sisleys were carbed? No spi's as far as I'm aware

 

[Freebo]

Could it be a slightly stuck open thermostat? Not able to fully open.

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

I'm pretty sure all Sisleys were carbed? No spi's as far as I'm aware

Agreed.

 

[Palio]

I thought all Sisley's were f.I.r.e engines with single point injection?

I'm pretty sure all Sisleys were carbed? No spi's as far as I'm aware

Agreed.

What e'r be this witchcraft of which ye speak? Injection??!!!

Anyway, no not on the Sisley's. That blooming ignition module is bad enough!

 

[onemanmade]

What e'r be this witchcraft of which ye speak? Injection??!!!

Anyway, no not on the Sisley's. That blooming ignition module is bad enough!

Fair enough, even better! The more you know