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My 100HP (2007), Mrs Dave's 1.2 Dynamic (2007) and the 1.3 diesel (2009) all have the same battery tray. All three have some rust. Nothing to get excited about but I'll have to see about getting them grit blasted. They are too fiddly to be worth the hassle of using a grinder never mind the mess it makes. All have the same size battery. The 1.2 is getting weak so there's another bill to pay. The diesel battery has gone reverse voltage so that's properly dead. But the engine is now in the garage ready for a proper looking at and hopefully a new cam chain etc.

This is Tanya's Yuasa HSB012.
www.tayna.co.uk

YBX5012 Yuasa Silver High Performance Car Battery 12V 54Ah HSB012

YBX5012 Yuasa Silver High Performance Car Battery 12V HSB012 Advanced Engineering, Premium Quality, Unmatched Reliability GS Yuasa located in Japan, all started in 1895 and is one of the biggest battery manufacturers in the world. Manufacturing batteries for the automotive, commercial and...
www.tayna.co.uk www.tayna.co.uk

Halfords prices for the same have improved - they were asking north of £100 when Tanya were under £60.
 
Halfords batteries are made by Yuasa they told me. Halfords label 3 year warranty and Yuasa own label 5 year warranty.
Both my older Pandas still running after a week with their new batteries. No issues on our 169 which actually killed both the old batteries. Our battery 169 battery showed slight symptoms then died. This was an hour after being driven 25 miles from my daughters work so still warm that day. Move the bigger battery off Mrs 319 and it seemed good. It died as soon as the car was turned off two days later NO warning. Both the failed batteries were as dead as dead can be. No door lock or warning lights. Both read 12.6V+. So dont trust it to give any warning symptoms. Both cars fine and testing OK after a week of freezing weather so seems jobs a goodun. If the clocks flashing I think its towards its end day. Good luck with the battery hunt, Im just worrying the 2019 car battery is no longer 100% after the lockdown even though it wqs run weekly and also on the smart charger. (so were the other two....) and hoping is doesnt let me down as its parked outside for the first time in its life and its -5C. Fired up instantly this morning . It did hav a 180 mile run here yesterday so should be fully charged! Both the failed batteries were checked and were full of fluid at the correct level which surprised me after the hot summer.
 
DaveMcT said:
My 100HP (2007), Mrs Dave's 1.2 Dynamic (2007) and the 1.3 diesel (2009) all have the same battery tray. All three have some rust. Nothing to get excited about but I'll have to see about getting them grit blasted. They are too fiddly to be worth the hassle of using a grinder never mind the mess it makes. All have the same size battery. The 1.2 is getting weak so there's another bill to pay. The diesel battery has gone reverse voltage so that's properly dead. But the engine is now in the garage ready for a proper looking at and hopefully a new cam chain etc.

This is Tanya's Yuasa HSB012.
www.tayna.co.uk

YBX5012 Yuasa Silver High Performance Car Battery 12V 54Ah HSB012

YBX5012 Yuasa Silver High Performance Car Battery 12V HSB012 Advanced Engineering, Premium Quality, Unmatched Reliability GS Yuasa located in Japan, all started in 1895 and is one of the biggest battery manufacturers in the world. Manufacturing batteries for the automotive, commercial and...
www.tayna.co.uk www.tayna.co.uk

Halfords prices for the same have improved - they were asking north of £100 when Tanya were under £60.
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The Panda Nut said:
Halfords batteries are made by Yuasa they told me. Halfords label 3 year warranty and Yuasa own label 5 year warranty.
Both my older Pandas still running after a week with their new batteries. No issues on our 169 which actually killed both the old batteries. Our battery 169 battery showed slight symptoms then died. This was an hour after being driven 25 miles from my daughters work so still warm that day. Move the bigger battery off Mrs 319 and it seemed good. It died as soon as the car was turned off two days later NO warning. Both the failed batteries were as dead as dead can be. No door lock or warning lights. Both read 12.6V+. So dont trust it to give any warning symptoms. Both cars fine and testing OK after a week of freezing weather so seems jobs a goodun. If the clocks flashing I think its towards its end day. Good luck with the battery hunt, Im just worrying the 2019 car battery is no longer 100% after the lockdown even though it wqs run weekly and also on the smart charger. (so were the other two....) and hoping is doesnt let me down as its parked outside for the first time in its life and its -5C. Fired up instantly this morning . It did hav a 180 mile run here yesterday so should be fully charged! Both the failed batteries were checked and were full of fluid at the correct level which surprised me after the hot summer.
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Thank you so much for all your help guys. Dave, that's especially useful info. It's that Yuasa HSB012 I've been looking at and several specialist battery suppliers quote it as the one for the 100HP as well as the newer 319 Panda. Most don't recommend it for the "normal" 169 though, although Halfords seem to show it as an option. So now I'm really confident that's the one I'm looking for.

Panda Nut. Thank you also for all your help. Yesterday we went food shopping - Shocking how prices of nearly everything are increasing substantially isn't it? Also some stuff just isn't on the shelves (often alternatives are there but your "favourite" brand may be conspicuous by it's absence. For instance this week it was Batts Tomato sauce - just a good as "you know who's" - Filtered semi skimmed milk chocolate Oatie biscuits and several more, oh, and the eggs, have you seen the price of eggs? good thing I don't eat them. Anyway, we went in Becky because she's just so much easier to find a parking space for. Despite the Baltic/Arctic temperatures - I had to take Mrs J's hair dryer to the driver's door as,, although the lock unlocked, the handle was frozen solid and would have broken if I'd forced it. Not only that, but having freed the handle the door only "sprung" by about an eigth of an inch! the door was frozen to the rubber seal! I had to go all round the outside of the door with the hairdryer to melt the ice and only then could I open the door! I've cleaned the seals up with methylated spirit and applied a very light skim of silicon grease so hopefully that won't happen again, although I've just tried them again this morning and the handles are frozen again! I was not really expecting her to start but she turned over quite smartly and fired up quickly. She only went over compression a few times before firing so I don't know if there was any extended cranking capacity. The clock had been reset earlier in the week but started flashing again after this cold start so I'm not going to put off buying that battery. Going out to the boy's house today to finish off the snagging so we can get the completion certificate for his recent extension (building control inspection criticized the loft insulation and demanded more - but that's ok because it was the only thing they wanted "fixed" - so that's easy enough to do.) I'll be going right past Halfords on the way so I'm going to call in and see what my trade card will buy that battery for. Twinkle (the Ibiza) is behaving herself. Unlocked on the blipper and door opened easily - think I put silicon grease on her seals last year though - all I need to do is defrost her now and I'll be on my way. Taking Twink because there's more room in the back for the insulation, boarding and tools, what with her being an estate.
 
The Panda Nut said:
Halfords batteries are made by Yuasa they told me. Halfords label 3 year warranty and Yuasa own label 5 year warranty.
Both my older Pandas still running after a week with their new batteries. No issues on our 169 which actually killed both the old batteries. Our battery 169 battery showed slight symptoms then died. This was an hour after being driven 25 miles from my daughters work so still warm that day. Move the bigger battery off Mrs 319 and it seemed good. It died as soon as the car was turned off two days later NO warning. Both the failed batteries were as dead as dead can be. No door lock or warning lights. Both read 12.6V+. So dont trust it to give any warning symptoms. Both cars fine and testing OK after a week of freezing weather so seems jobs a goodun. If the clocks flashing I think its towards its end day. Good luck with the battery hunt, Im just worrying the 2019 car battery is no longer 100% after the lockdown even though it wqs run weekly and also on the smart charger. (so were the other two....) and hoping is doesnt let me down as its parked outside for the first time in its life and its -5C. Fired up instantly this morning . It did hav a 180 mile run here yesterday so should be fully charged! Both the failed batteries were checked and were full of fluid at the correct level which surprised me after the hot summer.
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The only times I've had batteries do that was when the alternator voltage regulator failed. The excess voltage blew the batteries but their sacrifice probably saved the car's electronics. Your's was fine with a new battery, so all's well but its always worth running a voltage test.
 
DaveMcT said:
The only times I've had batteries do that was when the alternator voltage regulator failed. The excess voltage blew the batteries but their sacrifice probably saved the car's electronics. Your's was fine with a new battery, so all's well but its always worth running a voltage test.
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Thanks for the tip. I am still suspicious , but I have done this with MES and stand alone meters and all seems fine. I have re run the tests twice a day for a week and cant see anything amiss at all. The second battery dated back to 2014 so was getting long in the tooth. Im uncertain of the other battery age but possibly 2015 so also getting on and so small any glytch would lead to non starting. I am fairly sure that we just had coincidental failures. I will retest the car tomorrow but it seems only to take the charge to 14.2V whatever the circumstances or load. I might plug in MES and go for a drive for a few miles and see if anything odd shows up. Both 1.2s are behaving more or less identically other than the longer discharging period after switch off in the 2011 (battery eating) car. I would like to actually see that drop back to 0,01A as in the newer car but havnt had the time to do so so far. All appears normal and its around two weeks since the first new battery was fitted. The car has probably covered 500 miles in that time. The bigger battery does seem to make starting more instantaneous so I hope we are fixed for now.
 
My (new last summer) alternator never gets above 14V which was a bit of a concern. But battery is happy and coping fine with -5 in the mornings. I now need to order a new Yuasa for Mrs Dave's car.

Edit - Yuasa HSB012 ordered from Tanya. Should arrive tomorrow.
 
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Tanya cost is -
YBX5012 Yuasa Silver High Performance Car Battery 12V 54Ah HSB012£68.68
P&P£7.99
TOTAL£76.67

On top of that - PayPal offered me to pay in three instalments interest free. Deal!

Halfords price is £86.99 so Tanya get the deal.
 
If any one wants to bother-
063 battery is often fair bit cheaper than 012 battery.
Very similar capacities.
063 has same footprint as 012.
063 is about 25mm less tall which is not a issue if holding clamp is at battery base ,use bit of timber on top of battery if battery clamp is to top of battery.

Like Jock I'm lucky enough to have halfords trade card so 20% off batteries often makes them a good call- especially if battery required immediately.
 
Ok folks, after checking on a number of possible suppliers I'm going with Halfords and their Yuasa HSB012 silver (5 year warranty). for anyone that's interested here's the link: https://www.halfords.com/motoring/b...-12v-car-battery-5-year-guarantee-160815.html

On the face of it it looks to be the expensive option but, with my Trade Card, it beats even what Tanya want. I've also found them to be very good at honoring warranty and generally keeping their customers "happy". I also like that they are within about 15 to 20 minutes drive so I'm not involved in shipping stuff if there's any problem.

I was a little surprised that my favorite factor, who was going to supply a Bosch S4 (4 year warranty) for £96, couldn't beat them. I've noticed Bosch batteries do seem to be quite expensive though? They could also do me a bog standard 44Ah NAPA for around £45 but with only a 3 year warranty. I think I'm better off with the Yuasa.

Intending to buy it tomorrow - Halfords tell me they have 3 ready to go - as Mrs J and her sister are doing a marathon shop on Saturday which will be ducking in and out of supermarket and multi storey car parks with little running time in between. Chancing it to leave the old battery to cope with that I think
 
Reading post from Jock has reminded me that Halfords warrantee batteries that they list as a fitment for the vehicle in question . So if getting a battery from halfords make sure it is on their system as suitable for your vehicle to ensure no warrantee arguments if you need to make a warrantee claim.
Plus keep your proof of purchase safe .
 
Thanks Jack. Yes it's one of 3 options listed under the cars reg no. One Halfords branded 42Ah 390 amp. One Yuasa branded HSB202 45Ah 440 amp and the one I prefer which is the Yuasa HSB012 with 54Ah and 500 amps. Rather strangely, I thought, the largest capacity HSB012 is cheaper than the 202 - both "silver" with 5 year warranty - and only a quid or so more than the 3 year warrantied Halfords branded 202. Funny old world eh?

Anyway, I'm off out into the snow now - it was snowing earlier, stopped now but more promised - to remove the old battery and measure it's width exactly to be sure the new battery is going to be right for the clamp positions. I may just take it with me for a direct comparison.
 
Jock you are very welcome.
Pricing appears odd but my guess pricing is heavily related to volume of battery type manufactured. The 063 battery(not listed as a fitment for your car) is possibly one of the most common batteries fitted across a range of manufactures- I think that's why it is cheap for its capacity. 075 is another example .
Keep safe.
I picked up a fallen down neighbour from the snow and ice yesterday-he isn't very old at 71- my mutipla ended up as an ambulance taking him to a and e......Broken hip. He didn't whimper once!!! Strong stuff, being stroke survivor from 3 Or 4 years ago.
Best wishes
Jack
 
Anything over about 300 CCA is fine on 1.1 and 1.2 without start stop

CCA is a standardised test or whatever they want to call it today

The amp hour posted on the battery is not a standardised test. By manipulating the parameters of the test a manufacture can make their battery appear to have a larger capacity for price than it really is
 
All batteries lose charge capacity over time. A higher spec (when new) gives an older unit more chance of dying gracefully so at least you get some notice its time to replace. My wife's battery was from Halfords - a nothing special model some years ago. Now we have the cold weather, it simply can't cope.

A new one with 500 CCA, is likely to be 300 in five years time. One starting at 300 CCA is likely to be 100 or less, by the time it's aged-out. the issue today is that cheap batteries are not much less money than the better ones.
 
DaveMcT said:
All batteries lose charge capacity over time. A higher spec (when new) gives an older unit more chance of dying gracefully so at least you get some notice its time to replace. My wife's battery was from Halfords - a nothing special model some years ago. Now we have the cold weather, it simply can't cope.

A new one with 500 CCA, is likely to be 300 in five years time. One starting at 300 CCA is likely to be 100 or less, by the time it's aged-out. the issue today is that cheap batteries are not much less money than the better ones.
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Original 330 CCA lasted 14 year is plenty good enough for me
 
koalar said:
Original 330 CCA lasted 14 year is plenty good enough for me
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The one which is giving us "advance warning" is almost certainly the original from 2010 so owes us nothing. It's actually exactly the same dimensions as the new Yuasa but rated at 50Ah and 360 amps cranking. - the new Yuasa being 54Ah 500 cranking.

My experience at Halfords was absolutely excellent with a very pleasant female assistant, who I found out was one of the battery fitting team, processing and verifying my purchase very efficiently. I got a bit of a shock when I came to pay though. the price was as shown on their website - no surprise there - and I joked with her that I was expecting an exceptional discount with my trade card. She smiled and asked me to swipe it through the reader only to ask "do you have another card"? Of course I don't. "This is a really old card, when did you last use it?" she asked. Well I buy most of my service and spares parts from the Factors so I'm only in Halfords for car cleaning stuff, batteries, and small sundries - they are a useful emergency call at weekends too when factors are closed. "Well, I'm sorry to say but your card is out of date." My heart fell as I'd taken a lot of time researching this purchase and deciding to buy from this supplier, however she gave me a big smile and said "that's Ok though, I'll just get you a new one!" Wonderful! Oh, and what did it cost after all that? Well the rate quoted by Jack several posts above is pretty close to the mark so a substantial amount of cash compared to Tayna's price was saved. If you can get one I can thoroughly recommend a Halfords trade card although some things are discounted more than others so it pays to check. Generally speaking if it's Halfords branded the discount will be good.

The 5 year warranty would be validated by the sales reciept if I ever have to claim and I didn't check the till slip until I got home - the card reader displayed the expected price. However the till slip turned out to be just a price confirmation for the listed price and stated on the bottom that it can't be used to support a warranty claim - the sales receipt is needed for that and I didn't seem to have one. Thinking I'd lost it (I tend to loose lots of stuff these days) I was feeling quite angry with myself until, after fitting the battery, I sat down at my laptop to do this update and was alerted to a new Email in my inbox. Receipt from Halfords for my battery purchase! Then I remembered they did the receipt this way last time I bought from them. So, all good, I'll do a printout of it and store it with the Panda receipts.
 
Oh, and I meant to say, I checked the new Yuasa before operating the starter and it showed 12.6 volts. Then when I started her - cold start, she'd not been started today prior to fitting the new battery and it's been below zero today until mid afternoon - she seemed to turn over slightly faster, but not by much, however the really noticeable thing was that the cranking time was very short. I followed the normal procedure - ign on and wait for padlock to extinguish whilst listening to the fuel pump operating before operating the starter motor - I doubt if she went over compression much more than 3 or 4 times. She hasn't started that quickly for a long time. I'll be paying attention to this for the next few starts just to see if it was a fluke. battery voltage with engine running? 14.2 That'll do nicely thank you. I also took the chance to examine and wiggle the earth strap under the battery tray seeing as how I had the battery out and, although it's still basically sound and didn't fall apart it could do with being renewed. That can be a job for the warmer weather next summer, maybe at service time?
 
Also, because this is a question which is often asked on the forum, the radio did not loose it's code due to the battery being disconnected and it was disconnected for a while too because I cleaned up the battery tray, inspected the earth cable under the tray and cleaned up the battery clamps and applied some Holts No-crode before reconnecting. I've had a tube of No-crode for years and it's only now nearly used up. Great stuff, must have a look to see if it's still made.
 
Pugglt Auld Jock said:
The one which is giving us "advance warning" is almost certainly the original from 2010 so owes us nothing. It's actually exactly the same dimensions as the new Yuasa but rated at 50Ah and 360 amps cranking. - the new Yuasa being 54Ah 500 cranking.

My experience at Halfords was absolutely excellent with a very pleasant female assistant, who I found out was one of the battery fitting team, processing and verifying my purchase very efficiently. I got a bit of a shock when I came to pay though. the price was as shown on their website - no surprise there - and I joked with her that I was expecting an exceptional discount with my trade card. She smiled and asked me to swipe it through the reader only to ask "do you have another card"? Of course I don't. "This is a really old card, when did you last use it?" she asked. Well I buy most of my service and spares parts from the Factors so I'm only in Halfords for car cleaning stuff, batteries, and small sundries - they are a useful emergency call at weekends too when factors are closed. "Well, I'm sorry to say but your card is out of date." My heart fell as I'd taken a lot of time researching this purchase and deciding to buy from this supplier, however she gave me a big smile and said "that's Ok though, I'll just get you a new one!" Wonderful! Oh, and what did it cost after all that? Well the rate quoted by Jack several posts above is pretty close to the mark so a substantial amount of cash compared to Tayna's price was saved. If you can get one I can thoroughly recommend a Halfords trade card although some things are discounted more than others so it pays to check. Generally speaking if it's Halfords branded the discount will be good.

The 5 year warranty would be validated by the sales reciept if I ever have to claim and I didn't check the till slip until I got home - the card reader displayed the expected price. However the till slip turned out to be just a price confirmation for the listed price and stated on the bottom that it can't be used to support a warranty claim - the sales receipt is needed for that and I didn't seem to have one. Thinking I'd lost it (I tend to loose lots of stuff these days) I was feeling quite angry with myself until, after fitting the battery, I sat down at my laptop to do this update and was alerted to a new Email in my inbox. Receipt from Halfords for my battery purchase! Then I remembered they did the receipt this way last time I bought from them. So, all good, I'll do a printout of it and store it with the Panda receipts.
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Print it! Its almost impossible to get a duplicate! Sounds like B responded much as Daffo did. Its nice to have a solid starter in this cols weather.
 
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