Technical turbo instrument cluster

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Redundant Boots Gauge

I’d prob. fit a compass if I had a redundant boots gauge hole to fill He He there’s North...

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More Like an audio Sound Pressure Level display in case I get pulled for Noise Pollution. I’d be able to answer any Police question like –Do you know how loud your music is?

I’d also be able to calculate their reading and consider things like the 6dB drop for doubling of distance (from my meter), and which noise scale they should be using as allowed SPL is both frequency and time of day dependant lol.
 
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Hi All,

I remember reading you have one wire to fit to the coil for rev counter. Could be wrong lol.

If it’s in to go in 1.0 IE remember the yellow band (Max Power) starts at 5,500 RPM not like the one in my Avatar at 6K.

Has anyone ever seen a 1.0 IE SX? I’m just haggling over a clock from a 1.4 IE SX with rev counter, so Il be fitting one soon.

The link’s is for a MK1 BTW.

Kind Regards,
 
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As for getting all the gauges working... Louie's right, you need to add a wire for the tachometer.

Oil Temperature is going to be a challenge: have to get a temp. sensor out of an engine from any FIAT/Lancia with the oil temperature gauge, e.g. Lancia Thema, FIAT Strada 130, or of course an Uno Turbo... I got one from a 125 twin-cam. You'll probably have to drill the sump and ideally weld a nut in place, though I think I'm going to use copper washers and a nut to fix the sender in place on a friend's 45 FIRE (with Uno Turbo instruments).

Oil Pressure is slightly easier as a few more models have a pressure sender - we're going to use a spare X1/9 one that I have, with a threaded 'T' so that the existing pressure switch still works.

Water temperature: if the original panel had a temperature warning light, don't forget to change the switch for the sender off any FIAT engine with a temperature gauge (thread is the same)

As for the boost gauge - well, we have an idea for that too! We're going to connect it to a fitting screwed into the radiator expansion tank above the level of the coolant... The cooling system has a 14psi max. pressure cap, which is of course about the 1 bar that the boost gauge reads to!

Why? you might ask? Well, as the system warms up, the pressure increases, and that is good. But if you have a leak (and start to lose coolant) the pressure will drop away... and if there is a very slight leak, the system might never pressurise... so we think this gauge will give us advance warning of a cooling system problem!

Thanks,
-Alex
 
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I have a mk1 Uno Turbo instrument cluster that I've yet to fit to my 1986 Uno. Problem is, as Alex mentioned, a few of the gauges need extra sensors to make work in full.

As I have a mk1 SX instrument cluster fitted (with tacho, and I also swapped in the econometer from the 45S standard cluster), everything hooked up and worked no problem. The tacho just needed one extra wire from the low tension side of the coil, and I incorporated that into the multi pin plug for the dashboard.

So I have a fully functioning dashboard with tachometer (I also have the roof mounted clock/ light/ rear mirror unit from the SX too so I didn't lose the clock!) If I fit the turbo dashboard, I'll lose the ecomometer, and have non functioning oil pressure and oil temperature gauges. To get those to work I'll need extra sensors on the engine as Alex mentioned.

For now, I'm quite happy with the SX dashboard, though oil pressure would be a useful gauge. Maybe I'll get round to fitting it sometime.

Also Alex, do you know if the turbo boost gauge is mechanical or electrical? I looked through the Haynes wiring diagrams and couldn't find any wiring info for it. On the back of the gauge it looks like there is a fitting for a rubber pipe? If it was electrical, I thought that maybe I could wire it up to the econometer sender. That way it would show 'boost' with large throttle openings, and low readings when driving gently. It would look cool to make it work like a boost gauge, though secretly I would know it was actually the econometer/ vacuum gauge!

If it were mechanical, then I could just extend the vacuum gauge pipe for the sender unit and send it direct to the back of the dashboard.

By the way, your knowledge of Fiat Uno's and Fiats in general is amazing Alex. Thanks very much for sharing such valuable information via all the posts with everyone on the boards.

Chas
 
Turbo instrument cluster fully functional in 999?

Interesting modds - I might hold on with the SX dash, sort everything else out while I consider the Turbo dash challenge lol.
1986Uno45S said:
...By the way, your knowledge of Fiat Uno's and Fiats in general is amazing Alex. Thanks very much for sharing such valuable information via all the posts with everyone on the boards.Chas
Ill second that!!! Chas (Warwick) ;) (y)
 
turbo instrument cluster on a .45

Due to the inexistence of a tachometer on the .45 was looking to install an aftermarket tach. But because of this site :D made me thinking if I can make the turbos gauge cluster work on my .45 might as well get one. Is this hard to find? will it work?

Here in the Philippines, it's impossible to find one. Thank you.
 
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i'm sure i remember seeing a similair thread on here a few months back, i think the boost guage was going to be connected to the cooling system to see if pressure was still there....anyone remember this one?

btw i have 4 mk1 clock sets sitting in the infamous shed, the wooden one not the rusty one!
 
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Thanks for the reply turboned, my bad I read all the past threads and it's actually there. Question is, would the MK1 clock sets fit an MK2? would you have pictures for that? please :eek:
 
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Louie Bee said:
Interesting modds - I might hold on with the SX dash, sort everything else out while I consider the Turbo dash challenge lol. Ill second that!!! Chas (Warwick) ;) (y)
Sheesh... thanks guys, obviously my memory of names is pretty shocking though: Warwick! ;) (where on earth did that name come from...) sorry Chas!


Just to clear up a couple of points...

I'm also pretty much 100% sure that the Mk1 and Mk2 panels don't interchange... this despite the fact that I've never taken apart a Mk2!

The temperature gauge for an Uno 45 FIRE turns out to be a PROBLEM: because the FIRE has only a switch, I mentioned the need to fit a gauge sender out of another engine. The trouble is, the FIRE has a different thread size to the 1116cc/1301cc - so, you'll have to get one from another FIRE engine I believe: e.g. 1108cc. (I was WRONG before when I said the thread was the same, see, just when you guys compliment me, I start to make mistakes ;)).

Chas - the boost gauge is mechanical, measuring 'gauge pressure', which means (as I understand it) pressure above atmospheric pressure - 'gauge pressure' really is a technical term!

The inlet manifold pressure never goes positive in a normally-aspirated engine: it's always atmospheric or less. So, the standard boost gauge wouldn't register on a non-Turbo engine, because it can't read negative values (vacuum). Of course, it doesn't register on a Turbo engine until the turbocharger actually starts to 'boost'. Many aftermarket boost gauges read both pressure and vacuum - of course, when reading 'vacuum' it's actually an economy gauge.

Come to that, the boost gauge is probably there for two reasons:
1. It shows if the turbo is over-boosting and likely to damage something - though in reality up to 1 bar causes no harm anyway!
2. It's an economy gauge - the less boost, the less fuel used.

Now, the airspace under the radiator cap (there should be airspace, shouldn't there?) must be at some pressure above atmospheric, ideally - because there is a sprung release valve in the cap (releases at 14psi?) and you hear a Pssssh when you unscrew the cap?

I figure that since the boost gauge is calibrated 0 - 1 bar (0 - 14.2psi approx.) it would read the cooling system pressure quite well, if the pipe was plumbed into that airspace just under the radiator cap. Why would you want to know cooling system pressure? Well, if there is a leak, pressure drops to zero as the coolant leaks out. It would be good to know this, before the coolant loss resulted in overheating. Seems like a nice 'early warning' scheme! I'll let you know if we get it working (friend and I have a Turbo cluster in an Uno 45).

Louie, your Sound Pressure Level meter is a much better idea on the whole :) and as you say, it needs to be speed-calibrated for the drive-by noise level, taking into account the Doppler Effect!

Also, good point about the different RPM for the Yellow Line. The FIRE engine just runs out of breath at high RPM in my experience. We had this conversation with Drinu before, about when to change gears? I reckon unless you've modified the engine, there's not much point in redlining it. Of course, the Uno Turbo, with boost cranked up for the track, is a different story. I was using all 8000RPM, honest :D

-Alex
 
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edTV1 said:
Thanks for the reply turboned, my bad I read all the past threads and it's actually there. Question is, would the MK1 clock sets fit an MK2? would you have pictures for that? please :eek:

EDTV,

The mk1 and mk2 Uno instrument clusters are totally different. They will not interchange. However, you CAN get the mk1 instruments into a mk2, but you would have to change the entire dashboard to a mk1 unit.

As for sourcing turbo instruments, they turn up on EBay every now and then. When one does, you could ask the seller if they will post it to your country if you win. Postage will probably be rather expensive though...

Oh and Alex, I think all UK base spec Uno's had temperature gauges fitted. Other countries had a dashboard with only a coolant warning light fitted to some base models, and these would only have a switch sender unit. If the Uno has a proper temperature gauge fitted as standard then the turbo dashboard gauge should work fine.

Chas (not Warwick!)
 
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