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Technical Louie’s first clutch job

Louie Bee

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The clutch plate for a 1.0 IE (with C514 box)

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Only 170mm

Don’t look like much meat on it either.

Well its been getting harder and harder to get into gear and has started crunching and dragging with clutch fully depressed so after nearly 5 years of ownership (longist lasting Uno for me) it's time to do my first clutch :slayer:

Can't wait to get my Uno back on the road :). Been in Emma's VanAaken for a week now (which is fun!!) and want my Uno back..

Regards All,

Louie.
 
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That's a pretty comprehensive clutch kit! Even comes with new driveshaft nuts (and are those now suspension and steering rack nuts too?). I don't think I've ever used (or even seen) new driveshaft nuts :) Does it also come with new clutch bolts? I've always been a bit worried about re-using those.
 
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Yer they are new Hubnuts and strut to hub carrier nuts :) well spotted (y) they did come delivered in the same box but I ordered them separately ;). There is also some nuts for the steering rack.. Shouldn’t reuse Nylock Nuts :D

I have been told you can reuse the hubnuts if your doing both sides – swap them over but I’d rather not ;)
 
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I couldn't find a picture of the clutch friction plate, but these two pictures show my 999cc Uno when I fitted a new clutch to it. One picture shows the flywheel, and where you see shiny metal is actually the diameter of the friction plate. Not very big at all! The other picture shows the clutch pressure plate fitted.

The clutch isn't that big but then again it's 'only' dealing with 45bhp. My old 350 Yamaha YPVS was rated at 59 bhp in comparison!
 

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Got the box off today to find I had not much left of the rear engine mount as usual it has turned to black chease. I take it Your not ment to see the release bearing's ball bearings :eek:

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The clutch cover has 6 of the 18 fingers missing so I guess that’s why it was rather reluctant.

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I clean up inside the bell housing, and re grease the cultch arm – no longer grinds like its got sand in :D.

Next I find the wrong bearing is in the clutch kit. As I just happen to have a Brave 1.2 16V clutch kit waiting to be fitted (still :eek:) which odly contains the correct bearing. lucky I thought.. on with the job....

Release Bearing.jpg

Having removed the cover and pressure plate I notice my new plate has only 3 outer springs but also has 4 smaller springs. The old has just 4 large springs. I thought it may be a design difference as the new kit is an AP where the old is Valio.

It became apparent when I put the 2 clutch covers together that the new cover is slightly smaller than the old. I still tried to line it up on the fly wheel bit there is no way it will fit. Shame the rest of the Brava 1.2 kit is a fair bit bigger.

To answer my own question – :bang: :bang:NO ITS NOT THAT SMALL!!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Both kits.jpg

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1986Uno45S said:
Louie, the 'wrong' release bearing you have looks just like the one I had in my clutch kit. It fits fine with the two locating tangs on the release arm on my gearbox. Maybe it's meant for the earlier (bottom rod change) mk1 45 gearbox?
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I have found that the part number I have been sent has a typo on it... my kit should end with a 9.. the part number I have ends with an 8- the rest of the numbers are the same so its bad luck it seems :cry:
 
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Not a uno guy at all lol, but it is a fire engine and box ;)

Did you have to take the cups out of the box? is it a wet box? Looks just like the sei/punot/panda boxes, where you can take the shaft out the cup, but leave the oil in, and don't need to undo the hub nuts either then. Not trying to tell you stuff, just wanna get a further insight into how stuff works on it :)

That original clutch and release bearing is terrible...surprised it ran at all! Good job its being changed now :)


Hope its all running soon, but i bet you'll miss the tisch ;)


Kristian
 
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Chas …Stop clutching at straws :p

Kristian,
Following the Porter and Haynes manuals advice, I’d already removed the hub nuts and drained the oil. As My Uno is a late variant with the C145 gear box / clutch job isn’t really well documented.

To answer your question I’m not sure what the cups are :eek:. I removed the full drive shafts, knocking out the inboard ends from the dif casing. As I can see the dif oil seals I’d guess if the oil was still in it would not stay there for long after removing the drive shafts. Guess that means it’s a wet box? the shafts are dry (y).

Maybe there are a shortcuts I missed.. I wanted to see how the Tutella Oil I put in a few years ago is looking. Seems to have lost ist smell but no sediment :).

The Porter manual refers to the late Uno box as the Punto style box, but I have never driven a Punto or Panda.

Reverse is selected by depressing the whole gear stick Unlike the Sei where you lift a leaver. That’s not to say the box is different. The Valio part number on the cover and plate I removed is B565 if that helps? perhaps the box number tells you more :confused:.

Yer part of the release bearing plastic was found in bits in the bell housing. Don’t know what happened to the clutch cover’s missing fingers… Dust perhaps? :slayer:

Hopefully the new kit will be here Friday so I should get time to finish by Monday.. not really the fastest clutch job at 6 days ;).
 
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Cheers Louie :)


these are the cups i was talking about. These are off a dry box. They spin around and seal the oil in the box. The driveshaft slips into the open end with some grease and the boot clamps onto the cup. It all turns.

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If you have this type box, as Emma's will have (in case you ever have to do it), you can remove the inner boot clamp nearest the box. Undo the damper to hub bolts, and wiggle the shafts out and witdraw the box. This leaves all the oil etc in the box and saves removing hub nuts (y)


however by the sounds of it, yours is a wet box in that, the inner boot doesn't turn with the shaft, but is clamped to the bearing on the shaft. the boot retains the oil, and there is no shortcut :(


boy, doesn't that oil smell nasty when new....i had it spill all over my rear seats and still can't get rid of it lol


Cheers,

Kristian
 
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I haven’t looked under the inner boots but I think they turn with the shaft.

The cups look much like the ends of my shafts. I’ll take a few more pictures before I put it back together.

Cheers for the tip.. I’m dreading doing on the Sei.. no room around the bay.. its decided the cam belt wants to scrub the cover so I’m now in the Brava.. Poor Emma is car less.

Cheers,
Louie.
 
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Given up waiting and had a ring around today the local motor factors..

I ordered a clutch kit at the best price place.

When I went to collect it and plate was about the size of the Brava 80SX kit :confused:.. The bloke checked and realised he’d tried to give me a kit for a ford escort :eek:..

He had another look and found my kit.. I had a look and err wrong kit again :mad::mad::mad::mad::rolleyes:.. One for a early 999 with old gear box.. He had a look on the system and ordered another one in..

When I went back later I found it measures up right.

I’ve just had a closer look and it’s a remanufactured kit Grrrrrr :bang:!!!! If I wanted a reman kit, I’d a got the one which is £20 cheaper else where. I did originally ask :cry:.
 
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