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Parking sensors not working and towbar 'ramblings'

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I got a 2003 Ulysse 2.0 16V a few days ago - it was a demonstrator and has most of the extras.
The manual says when you select reverse there should be a beep, then the reverse parking sensors operate - I don't get any sound though!
The last owner said she didn't think she had parking sensors, but there are four sensors on the back bumper, so I assume they wouldn't be there unless the whole system was fitted?
Any ideas? I checked fuse 24 as per the book, but it is OK.
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Hi, and welcome to the forum.

Looks like they are optional on the Dynamique, and standard on the Eleganza. What model do you have?

However, it does seem weird that the rear sensors are there?! Maybe it is an option that needs to be switched on via the Examiner unit, at the local dealership. I will also have a look on ePer, the electronics parts guide, and confirm whether there are 1 or 2 available rear bumpers.

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I think Stu is right, they probably need to be activated on the ECU. They could also have been damaged if the water pipe for the rear washer came apart and leaked on the control box.

It is under warranty anyway.

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OK, thanks for the ideas - I appreciate it. I will wait for the warranty transfer to come through, then visit my local dealer.
I've got the Eleganza model - there are two colour matched sensors on the ends and two black ones nearer the centre.
The third year warranty is a "dealer warranty" - does that mean it doesn't cover everything?

This seems to be the only problem at present - fantastic car! It's tempting to pay less attention to the road with so many toys to play with - I really like the Connect+ system.
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Hi - so it does sounds like a wiring/Examiner issue - it is standard equipment on that car, although why the last owner thought otherwise is beyond me.

Yep, you do get slightly less cover on the 'third year' dealer warranty, although do not have to hand all the additional exclusions.

How are you finding the 2.0 petrol? What car did you come from previously?

O, and more importantly, what is the colour?
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The last owner just didn't realise the sensors existed, I think!
I made a break with tradition after 3 Mercedes estate 7-seaters. The kid's approval rating is much higher for the Ulysse!
It's a light blue metallic finish (not sure what the colour is officially called). Drives very smoothly (for a manual!) but I have yet to try it loaded up with family, bikes, luggage etc. I bought it on EBay a couple of weeks ago so you may even have spotted it!

Haven't got the hang of the heating system yet, in auto mode it likes turning the fans right up - a bit too noisy for my liking. I am also going to be interested in getting copies of CD manuals, Connect+ firmware upgrade, and the the details of wiring towbar electrics (will I need a fancy relay?, where in the loom do I connect etc.) but I'll check through the other threads and post there if necessary.
It's good to find an online source of information like this - I'll be back!
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Out of interest how much did you pay for it.

The fans normally go fast for a short time, but then slow down. They can be loud as the bearings in early versions were not great.

I think that you need a special kit for the towbar electrics due to it being a multiplexed system. The kit has a light failure warning bypass or something.

The colour is lagoon blue if it is the light blue like our's.

Good luck with it, I find the petrol gives good acceleration for the size of car. Our's is an auto and we get about 27mpg which is 80% town and 20% motorway. Not bad for such a big car.

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Found this thread which was useful, especially the last post in it:

https://www.fiatforum.com/showthread...=ulysse+towbar
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Stu, that towbar stuff is interesting - thanks. I've done a bit more research and the Witter towbar sounds like a good bet - might not need to cut the bumper either. I already have a Witter bike-rack that has an adapter plate so I can't use a swan-neck or removable type. I'll have to check out the wiring loom part that was mentioned - better than splicing into cables. Would your parts CD identify that?
I thought I would need a bypass relay for the reasons mentioned, but the towequipe website doesn't mark it as such - see http://www.marketworks.com/storefron...185&i=15051472
Also my instruments don't seem to include a "bulb failed" warning light. Probably better to fit one anyway and isolate the trailer electrics from the car's lighting circuits.

Poggy, I got into a bit of a bidding war and ended up paying 12400. I thought the electric doors were worth holding out for! I worked out this was about half list on a new one using the Fiat website and adding all the options in. Still, I was pretty pleased as it had less than 15K miles on it and is virtually as new (apart from the faulty parking sensors!). I'm still discovering new features - I just found I can set the display to automatically switch between day and night settings. The engine pulls well for such a big car. I would have preferred an auto but am getting used to changing gear again, when I remember to.

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The parts CD is online here: http://www.findmyoldcar.com:7080/navi?KEY=STARTUP

BUT the link doesn't work all the time. HOWEVER, Ben the FF boss has just got his hands on the latest version, on DVD, and is looking for a better hosting solution.

I have no ideas about tow-bar electrics, although others on here do.
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Your up early Stu, is it your turn to get up with the kids. I was up at 6:45 with Sam.

I think you got a good deal on the Ulysse Martin, I have the electric doors and they are pretty useful. I thought the bulb warning was part of the RT3, but having read the maintenance CD, it doesn't look like it's connected so you probably don't need a bypass relay.

I think the parking sensor control box is behind the panel (with the vents in)in the boot on the rear drivers side where you change the bulbs for the rear lights. You have to be a bit careful removing the panel as you could damage the clips. It may just be worth checking that nothing is loose before going to the dealer.

It's shame you didn't get the car earlier as there was a factory option reversing sensor kit from Fiat on E-Bay a while ago which had everything in it.

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Quote Originally Posted by poggy
Your up early Stu, is it your turn to get up with the kids. I was up at 6:45 with Sam.
Jules was up earlier than me, I stayed in bed til 8ish. It is our youngests 2nd birthday today, so just doing all the celebrations now Bob the Builder toys everywhere.........
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Quote Originally Posted by poggy
I think the parking sensor control box is behind the panel (with the vents in)in the boot on the rear drivers side where you change the bulbs for the rear lights. You have to be a bit careful removing the panel as you could damage the clips. It may just be worth checking that nothing is loose before going to the dealer.
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I had a look in there - there's a black control box near the top with two connectors in, and what looks like an audible/buzzer unit further down. There's a thickish earth wire in that area that wasn't connected properly (the bolt through the ring connector was almost falling out, but tightening it back up made no difference. There's also a 3-pin white connector taped out of the way - it has a thick beige wire and a thin white one into it - nowhere obvious where it might connect into though. Without a circuit diagram it's pretty hopeless! Is the CD you can get on EBay any good? The seller describes it as "Awesome" but I can only think the rest of his book collection must be really dull...

Anyway, my oldest son has just pointed out a completely new defect - the two sliding door windows should both have spring blinds like the back ones. You can just see them through the slots in the top of the door trim panel, but there are no rails or handles on them and they've rolled themselves up inside the doors. Are these easy to break? The last owner was a childminder doing school runs so it's understandable I suppose.

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Hi - I have a Ulysse diagnostic disk/workshop manual - will have a look on it now.

My wife is also a childminder. We use the roller blinds on ours constantly. One did break recently, due to a defect where they catch on the doors as you open them [I don't have electric doors] - it was replaced under warranty, albeit a big job due to getting access to them.
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Quote Originally Posted by martinw
Stu, that towbar stuff is interesting - thanks. I've done a bit more research and the Witter towbar sounds like a good bet - might not need to cut the bumper either. I already have a Witter bike-rack that has an adapter plate so I can't use a swan-neck or removable type. I'll have to check out the wiring loom part that was mentioned - better than splicing into cables. Would your parts CD identify that?
I thought I would need a bypass relay for the reasons mentioned, but the towequipe website doesn't mark it as such - see http://www.marketworks.com/storefron...185&i=15051472
Also my instruments don't seem to include a "bulb failed" warning light. Probably better to fit one anyway and isolate the trailer electrics from the car's lighting circuits.
I fitted a towbar to mine. I got a Eurobar which was a mistake. The righthand bracket is designed to go round the silencer but they have not left anywhere near enough space. The exhaust expands upto 3/4" when hot and bangs on the bracket.

I rang the manufacturer and they knew nothing about this. There is no adjustment in the Fiat exhaust so I guess all Ulysse bars are banging. I got the angle grinder out and stopped most of the banging but summer and hot weather is coming!

The wiring was the easiest part if you spend the money. I have a 13pin socket and ordered a Westphalia kit. It all just plugged in. There is power on a socket in the righthand side behind the light fitting. You pull off the plug on the back of the lights and refit them onto a through socket.

It disables the parking sensors when towing. You get a differant bleep to indicate the sensors are disabled.

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