Technical where is indicator relay located 2005 Ducato

[hillraid]

Anyone tell me/show me picture/diagram to let me know where the indicator relay is located on my 2005 Ducato motorhome. Im aware there are 3 fuseboxes .The indicators dont work but hazard lights are not affected as covered seemingly by separate relay. Many thanks in advance.

 

[whine0]

If Iv seen this prob before few year ago if my memory serves me the hazard switch is faulty causing the stalk not to work even though hazards work ,can you get a cheap hazard switch unit to try

 

[corcai]

Hazard switch is built into a unit with openframe relays soldered to the pcb it has a really wimpy pcb connector on it so I would start with cleaning that with decent contact cleaner you need to take out the radio to access it.

 

[jaspersarotty]

ive got nearly the same problem but i dont have either the hazards or indicators, ive put a new switch block in and still nothing,,,,, so any advice would be handy .....

 

[Tramp2140]

Has anyone solved the problem of no indicators and no hazards working on a 2006 fiat ducato 2.8,
Where is the flasher unit / Ralay fitted,is it part of the hazard switch or in one of the fuse boxes or elsewhere.
Thanks

 

[Communicator]

Has anyone solved the problem of no indicators and no hazards working on a 2006 fiat ducato 2.8,
Where is the flasher unit / Ralay fitted,is it part of the hazard switch or in one of the fuse boxes or elsewhere.
Thanks

A 2006 2.8jtd is an x244 model, (2002 - 2006). On the x244 the hazard flashers and direction indicators are controlled by the "Switch Control Panel" (H090). This is a typical "black box" with no information about its internal workings, but the internal logic does affect many items. The panel is located at the rear of the auxilliary switches below the radio, which must be removed for access.

See attached annoted copy of eLearn diagram E2020, my own table of switch control panel connections, and colour code translation.

 

[Timpkellis54]

Hi

I am new on here and hope someone can help me

We have a fiat ducato 2004 2.8jtd motorhome x244

And the indicators and hazard lights have stopped working.

The fuse 53 is okay, and all other lighting etc is okay.

I have noticed the power to the rear light clusters is only 10.7 volts.

One other thing i have noticed is the toad immobiliser flashes the indicator lights but not the remote (though it works)

Has anyone any advice on what is the problem/fix?

 

[Communicator]

If you have read my preceeding post you should be able to download the necessary diagrams. Th x244 "switch control panel" is still a "black box". I can only suggest checking all fuses mentioned on my list of connections for the switch control panel (H090), and any other fuses deemed appropriate.

 

[Timpkellis54]

I looked at the diagram for the h090 switch control panel and checked
fuses 53 and 37 and they are not blown
are there any other fuses to check?

 

[Timpkellis54]

I have fixed it!!

When taking apart the radio unit to find the h090 switch control unit, i freed off the hazard light switch which was stuck half in half out and et voila indicators and hazards work!!

So it was the hazard switch.

 

[Scud65]

A 2006 2.8jtd is an x244 model, (2002 - 2006). On the x244 the hazard flashers and direction indicators are controlled by the "Switch Control Panel" (H090). This is a typical "black box" with no information about its internal workings, but the internal logic does affect many items. The panel is located at the rear of the auxilliary switches below the radio, which must be removed for access.

See attached annoted copy of eLearn diagram E2020, my own table of switch control panel connections, and colour code translation.

A 2006 2.8jtd is an x244 model, (2002 - 2006). On the x244 the hazard flashers and direction indicators are controlled by the "Switch Control Panel" (H090). This is a typical "black box" with no information about its internal workings, but the internal logic does affect many items. The panel is located at the rear of the auxilliary switches below the radio, which must be removed for access.

See attached annoted copy of eLearn diagram E2020, my own table of switch control panel connections, and colour code translation.

Hi,
Is there an easy way of adding a buzzer of some sort to this wiring, so I know if my indicators haven't self-cancelled?

 

[Communicator]

Hi,
Is there an easy way of adding a buzzer of some sort to this wiring, so I know if my indicators haven't self-cancelled?

That all depends upon what you class as easy. I think that it would be simpler to tap into either front, or rear, output connections to the actual bulbs, as we do not know, without first investigating, what the input voltage is at the column switch connections. You would need a pair of blocking diodes and an electronic sounder. All of these would need mounting, connecting together, and securely into the existing circuit. Wiring alterations should be carefully recorded both for your own use, and that of any future owner of the vehicle.

Many years ago my first vehicle was a diesel Land Rover. The indicator self cancelling device employed a small wheel with a rubber tyre in contact with the steering column. The device was much too sensitive, and the the small wheel was removed, making manual cancellation necessary. Manual cancelling became habitual.

 

[Scud65]

That all depends upon what you class as easy. I think that it would be simpler to tap into either front, or rear, output connections to the actual bulbs, as we do not know, without first investigating, what the input voltage is at the column switch connections. You would need a pair of blocking diodes and an electronic sounder. All of these would need mounting, connecting together, and securely into the existing circuit. Wiring alterations should be carefully recorded both for your own use, and that of any future owner of the vehicle.

Many years ago my first vehicle was a diesel Land Rover. The indicator self cancelling device employed a small wheel with a rubber tyre in contact with the steering column. The device was much too sensitive, and the the small wheel was removed, making manual cancellation necessary. Manual cancelling became habitual.

Thanks Communicator. I was planning on linking into the switch wires. Maybe I'll check the voltage there first

 

[Communicator]

Thanks Communicator. I was planning on linking into the switch wires. Maybe I'll check the voltage there first

I do not know what the switch control panel input for the direction indicators is. Possibly electronic, and connecting there could upset it by back feeding from proposed sounder. Using a pair of outputs would eliminate this possibility, and sounder pulsing with lights would prove that at least the output for the selected direction was OK.

 

[Timpkellis54]

hi can i ask another question. i seem to have fixed the hazard light issue, dodgy connection on the hazard light power wire, but our indicators still do not work.

probably the h090 playing up, but to check it this rather than the indicator circuit, can anyone tell me where the wires from the indicator stalks go into the h090 thing?

the diagrams seems to say pin 4 and 5 on plug a, but i cant seem to work out what is plug a

 

[Communicator]

It is a few years since I was working in that area, and even then it was only for access to the heating control panel. There are 4 connectors A, B, C, & D which will letter from one end. Connectors A & D are similar, but somewhat of a mirror image, when looking at the indexing tabs on the upper/lower faces. See here and scroll down to H090 for wiring info. Attached are my annoted copy of eLearn diagram E2020, my wiring colour code chart, and my table of H090 connections, and diagram references. One or more of these should help, if only to match wire colours to connectors.

Please report progress.

 

[Timpkellis54]

hi Sorry to ask again but i cant work out where the a, b, c, abd d connectors are re the h090, in particular the a connector On the back of the h090 are two plug in areas , one white and one dark black, but i cant identify the a plug in area.

 

[Timpkellis54]

hi fixed it

found connector a was the one with small pins

and then found loose connection, replaced that and all works

phew