What's made you grumpy today?

Currently reading:
What's made you grumpy today?

Stoneacre reminding why I stopped using them...

Since the car was serviced in May I've had multiple letters and phonecalls about both service and maintenance plans.

If you were to take up every being offered it would amount to about a grand a year.

They sell Toyota and Mazda...who the hell is spending that much annually on less than 10 year old Japanese cars?

So they sent me something today for brake and tyre cover 39.90 a month to cover new brakes and tyres, 19.95 each.

4x premium brand new tyres (with insurance covering repairs for free and replacement if not repairable) was 337 quid. So to make a profit..need to burn off 4 tyres in 17 months.

The brakes are even more crazy, it covers you for a set of brake discs every 2 years...even the Citroën with it's crazed thirst for brakes managed a year longer than that. 3 years of that cover 718 quid. Disc and pads all-round fitted on the Citroën with good quality bits was 500 quid. Other than the Citroën I've only replaced one set of discs and pads in 15 years as generally I'm pretty light on them.

Perhaps it makes more sense with more "exotic" cars...but if course they are a Mazda and Toyota dealer...so they don't really sell those.

And then there's the trying to get me to sign up to a 3 year service plan on a 9 year old car. If you think you're seeing me once the 10 year warranty is done you are sadly mistaken I'm not going to be paying your parts prices and labour rates...
I hope to see this malpractice being punished in the courts in due course along with the hidden commissions and emissions scandals. Shoddy, unnecesary and verging on dishonest. Only for the unwary as clearly not much more than a con hidden in plain sight. 3rd rate business practice is high praise for this.
 
Stoneacre reminding why I stopped using them...

Since the car was serviced in May I've had multiple letters and phonecalls about both service and maintenance plans.

If you were to take up every being offered it would amount to about a grand a year.

They sell Toyota and Mazda...who the hell is spending that much annually on less than 10 year old Japanese cars?

So they sent me something today for brake and tyre cover 39.90 a month to cover new brakes and tyres, 19.95 each.

4x premium brand new tyres (with insurance covering repairs for free and replacement if not repairable) was 337 quid. So to make a profit..need to burn off 4 tyres in 17 months.

The brakes are even more crazy, it covers you for a set of brake discs every 2 years...even the Citroën with it's crazed thirst for brakes managed a year longer than that. 3 years of that cover 718 quid. Disc and pads all-round fitted on the Citroën with good quality bits was 500 quid. Other than the Citroën I've only replaced one set of discs and pads in 15 years as generally I'm pretty light on them.

Perhaps it makes more sense with more "exotic" cars...but if course they are a Mazda and Toyota dealer...so they don't really sell those.

And then there's the trying to get me to sign up to a 3 year service plan on a 9 year old car. If you think you're seeing me once the 10 year warranty is done you are sadly mistaken I'm not going to be paying your parts prices and labour rates...
When I was much younger I had a quite emotional and life changing moment when I realized that big commercial garages are there primarily to make money. Most are not fanatically committed enthusiasts. There's so much money involved in running and maintaining a big dealership they are always looking for ways to get more money in. Then it starts to become clear what all these insurance and service plans are all about. Stay "pals" with them during the warranty period to keep your warranty valid but after that you need to review the options in your area.
 
When I was much younger I had a quite emotional and life changing moment when I realized that big commercial garages are there primarily to make money. Most are not fanatically committed enthusiasts. There's so much money involved in running and maintaining a big dealership they are always looking for ways to get more money in. Then it starts to become clear what all these insurance and service plans are all about. Stay "pals" with them during the warranty period to keep your warranty valid but after that you need to review the options in your area.

It'll be heading to the indy that does my none warranty work on the C3...and also looked after the Mazda and my dad's Focus.

Got to say they are not cheap...but as a result they actually supply decent quality parts, don't find jobs that don't exist and also are usually pretty good at fixing things first time round.

No other main agents nearby for Toyota so its stoneacre or nothing for the warranty unfortunately. Strangely enough I used their predecessors Hodgsons who were a family business to look after the Mazda. But they went bust during COVID and Stoneacre bought all the franchises at which point I stopped using them as they were infuriating. Only one minor service before it's off to the indy.

They have sent me more paperwork about up selling than I got for the Major service and MOT at this point.
 
Last edited:
It'll be heading to the indy that does my none warranty work on the C3...and also looked after the Mazda and my dad's Focus.

Got to say they are not cheap...but as a result they actually supply decent quality parts, don't find jobs that don't exist and also are usually pretty good at fixing things first time round.

No other main agents nearby for Toyota so its stoneacre or nothing for the warranty unfortunately. Strangely enough I used their predecessors Hodgsons who were a family business to look after the Mazda. But they went bust during COVID and Stoneacre bought all the franchises at which point I stopped using them as they were infuriating. Only one minor service before it's off to the indy..
Stoneacre are clearly a high end company with great business ethics and a superb business model for increasing their customer base. Their customer service policies and standards are set to attract customers and gain lots of great reviews on car forums.

Im sure their understanding is that peole who think they are no good, are just ignorant customers they dont need. Clearly all just trouble makers, ignorant, stupid and probably low intelligence, overweight and illiterate.
 
It's almost enough to not bother with the warranty next year at this rate.
Just go to another Toyota dealer elsewhere and make a day out of it? I've sort of got to do this anyway for our single Lexus dealer. It's a nice way of not financially supporting the Toyota dealer nearby, even for parts.

They sell Toyota and Mazda...who the hell is spending that much annually on less than 10 year old Japanese cars?
The 10 year warranty thing has gotten a lot of people going back, pretty good marketing move that was.

When I was much younger I had a quite emotional and life changing moment when I realized that big commercial garages are there primarily to make money. Most are not fanatically committed enthusiasts.
I had this experience also, but with independents too. Dodging calls. Stalling for time. Saying they're too busy. Not wanting to get deep into issues with cars, but at the end of the day, still taking the money for the part of the problem their initial diagnosis needed but with no resolution. The only plus about the big companies is usually there's a manager, a boss, a site manager, a company representative, a brand / manufacturer each with their own feared-superior that you can continually escalate to until eventually they pay for a courtesy car for two months, or give you a decent chunk off your next car purchase as an apology lol And then you go back to the dealer or workshop and the same people who were trying to shut their metaphorical door in your face, are there having to act nice as pie, and doing their job right because they know you'll be triple checking - and so will their bosses!

Kind of sad to have to go about it like that, I know. But the independents? Nah, they don't want to do it - tough - no way to complain. Most of them don't even want to take payment via card so can't even fall back on that.

Both are crap, but I go to the chains (as much as I hate to) for the above - just in case. Everything from Fiat to Lexus leave a lot to be desired to be honest. Only Mercedes and BMW impressed me to be honest with how helpful they tried to be, fair play to them!

There's so much money involved in running and maintaining a big dealership they are always looking for ways to get more money in. Then it starts to become clear what all these insurance and service plans are all about. Stay "pals" with them during the warranty period to keep your warranty valid but after that you need to review the options in your area.
I've found from sitting so much in a Toyota workshop waiting room at the dealer, that most of the loyal regular customers keeping them in business are mostly elderly folks who are likely running mobility cars (maybe not) and just bring it to get serviced and often authorise on the spot without caring too much to check or get second opinions. Them plus all the new car owners getting their servicing done probably is what keeps the lights on. But when I land down they know they're in trouble.... ahaha
 
Unless I take it back to Melrose there's no local Toyota dealer not owned by Stoneacre.

Dunno just hate what they did to the place, when it was Hodgsons the Customer service was significantly better and they weren't constantly chasing you about insurance for the sky falling in or trying to get you to buy another car..

That and the lack of a direct line absolutely boils my ****. They ring you, you miss a call, you have to go to a national call centre to be redirected back to the tech who rang who is probably after that 10 minute delay busy with something else...great customer service.

Also the desk staff are useless...unless of course you want a brand new car.
 
That and the lack of a direct line absolutely boils my ****. They ring you, you miss a call, you have to go to a national call centre to be redirected back to the tech who rang who is probably after that 10 minute delay busy with something else...great customer service.
My method for dealing with the phone line thing now is just keep pressing 1 until I get to someone and then dump whatever the issue is on them, meaning they need to do the switchboard work to put me through or in a lot of cases, actually they can just sort the issue. Some switchboards just give them more info or let them prioritise certain issues in how they put you through, even if it ultimately lands with the same team of people who can actually just sort any of the issues for you. So far so good...
 
That might work if the person that answers the phone was at the dealer...

However the national call centre Stoneacre uses doesn't know anyone on their own staff from Adam. So if you come in full of hell pressing all the wrong options and say I was speaking to so and so earlier! They'll say who? that's not my department you've come through to sales (which is always option one). And then when it's clear they can't sell you a car put you back in the queue to press the right options.
 
Unless I take it back to Melrose there's no local Toyota dealer not owned by Stoneacre.

Dunno just hate what they did to the place, when it was Hodgsons the Customer service was significantly better and they weren't constantly chasing you about insurance for the sky falling in or trying to get you to buy another car..

That and the lack of a direct line absolutely boils my ****. They ring you, you miss a call, you have to go to a national call centre to be redirected back to the tech who rang who is probably after that 10 minute delay busy with something else...great customer service.

Also the desk staff are useless...unless of course you want a brand new car.
What a lovely wee town Melrose is. The first "proper" school I attended was in Melrose and Thomas Brown, the funeral directors, made a very good job of handling my brother's funeral. There's also the world famous rugby elevens for excitement.

The big garage groups here do seem to have direct numbers which take you to the dealers on site. I don't tend to have much to do with the big dealers but with the Scala being still under warranty I have had contact with both of the big dealers around here. I bought the car from "Uncle Arnie" and I find the whole experience quite underwhelming. The other big, but significantly smaller, setup is West End Garage. They've been Skoda agents for many years based somewhat west of us but a few years ago opened a quite large garage on the western outskirts of the city - unfortunately not so easy for me to access as the AC which is about a 15 minute drive away.

The buying experience at AC was actually quite good - which surprised me after all the poor reviews you read about them - but I think I was lucky in that I got a salesman who was very knowledgeable technically about the product and didn't attempt to bull*hit his way past something he didn't know. He was actually a fan of older BMWs! The car is going in to them for services during it's warranty period, only had one so far, an oil change - next due around October, and it was satisfactory - mind you an oil service with no faults reported by me, what was there fir them to get wrong?

I've had a couple of small problems though. A few days after I got the car and first time out to my boy's house south of the city, a warning light came on. I stopped immediately and checked all levels and looked for "anything" but everything seemed Ok and the car was driving fine with no funny noises. Cut the visit to my boy short and went to the dealer - it was getting on for closing time, about a half hour to go. Of course the only person you can speak to is a reception person who informed me I could make an appointment for about 3 weeks from then! I pointed out that by then, if something serious was wrong, then expensive damage may result and I wanted a signed acknowledgement that they weren't going to look at it and that it was Ok for me to go on driving it. While this person was trying to wriggle out of doing that a chap came through the door from the workshop, He turned out, I think, to be the workshop manager. So I immediately spoke to him. I think he realised that I actually had a fair idea what I was talking about and questioned me closely about exactly what was going on. The light was orange so, he said, it was alerting me to a problem. Had it been red he would have advised leaving it with them there and then, although it would be several days before they could look at it! But, as it was orange he advise me to drive it and keep a watch on what was going on. When i went back to the car and started it the light had gone out and it's never come on again. I talked to him again when the car was later in for it's service and he told me they've had a few done this, very new and low mileage cars, and the light always goes away without any intervention.

The other very annoying thing about AC is that you ring to speak to the service desk but, once past the reception person, the phone just rings and rings and rings. This doesn't happen just occasionally.

Later I had a concern about the battery - stop start stopped working - and we were about to go on our annual Devon trip. I rang them - AC - to ask for it to be checked (the battery is covered by warranty so, if scuppered, they replace it under warranty) but they couldn't do anything for me for about a month - for goodness sake, how long does it take to stick a battery analyser on it? Anyway, I rang West End and things couldn't have been more different. I was given an appointment almost immediately and told they'd check it for me while I waited - also confirmed it would be replaced FOC to me if needed. The reception staff were very helpful and one girl was particularly knowledgeable about the car. It took them about 3/4 of an hour and the outcome was that the battery checked out Ok but I most likely wasn't using the car enough to keep the battery fully charged. I'm sure they were right as it's been behaving better now we're going out to my boys and down to Gala for stuff to do with my deceased brother's estate. I've also rang them a couple of times when I couldn't get through to the AC reception desk and they always answer promptly and I end up speaking to someone who can give me the info I'm seeking. Just wish they were nearer to me.
 
I've been past Parks Toyota many times, it's on the A68 so whenever we go to Edinburgh it's one of the land marks after the loo stop in Jedburgh.

However 65 miles is a bit a trek for an oil change 🤔

Other than the possible amusement of seeing if anyone remembers the car given they looked after it from new probably not the most convenient solution
 
Come on, a REAL Toyota owner would drive triple that for the right oil change to keep that engine running according to the handbook and whatnot 😁

Or I could go to the next village to the garage that's looked after various cars for me for a decade and they'll order it and put it in for me, it's an oil change not brain surgery after all.

To be fair it has no hybrid gear so there's nothing in this car really that needs the dealers magic touch but once the warranty is done the dealer rates on such things would be in mechanical write-off territory anyway.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top