Hope he doesn't ask you to reach the parts he can't
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What's made you grumpy today?
The Panda Nut
Nutty about Pandas Infected by Panda virus and OPD
He spends most of his life on his back trying that on....Hope he doesn't ask you to reach the parts he can't
It's a fiat, they are designed to rust rapidly, I'm more impressed it took 9 years before the usual fiat rot set it.Would this be an opportune moment to mention the effect of Scottish winters on metal objects or is it too soon?
Well, no they are greased threads.
I done the same with the citroen undertray. Rusty blobs for the threaded and self tappers. The stainless bolts are still like new 7 years later, and in and out with no issue for oil changes.
You do like to talk out your arse at times...
I have an 18yr old Panda, and hardly anything is rusty and seized. It has spent is life mostly between Reading/Swindon, so about as far from the sea as possible.
are you trying to claim Galvanic corrosion is not a thing ?
You're literally complaining that the fasteners are rusted to the point you had to cut it apart and you think, that the rust isn't going to speed up in adjacent panels now you've use stainless bolts. The bolts will be fine I am sure. Its the metal panel which will rust even more rapidly now.
25 year old Punto in my garage which every nut bolt and fastener has come off without any major issues so far.
yep because fiats built in the 80s when they didn't used to galvanic dip the body, are definitely a good indication of modern cars.Well, my view of fiat is the B reg uno we had, doors were rotting off it before it reached 10 years!
Pretty much everything built in the early 80s would be rotten in 10 years I had a 10 year old mk3 fiesta that had no metal at all, supporting the fuel filler anymore. the whole area of the panel had rusted away and down to the wheel arch.
No, just your understanding of the real world
Except that the panels are "painted", and the bumper is plastic (I assume you understand plastic doean't rust, and not going to explain why painted panels wont rust either, would take too long)
OK you carry on. I had assumed that you knew something about cars.....
I will tell all those rusty cars on the road they are wrong to be rusty because they have been painted.....
oh wait weren't you just complaining about all fiats being designed to rust, and the car in question is a fiat.....
Maybe the captive nut broke off because someone glued it to the panel after they painted it, and there definitely won't be any exposed metal now where you have just put a stainless steel bolt.
Not to worry you hate all fiats anyway so the more it rusts the more you confirm your own dislike for them.
What's made me grumpy today? Royal Fail that's what.
Daughter-in -law posted a small present for granddaughter over 10 days ago, (4 days before her birthday), supposed to be 48hr delivery. To date, not received item. Daughter-in-law gave us the tracking number the day it was posted, and we haven't been able to track it, as Royal Fail say 'tracking will become available when the item enters our system' despite it being handed in at the local post office, and the receipt time & date stamped 10 days ago.
Daughter-in-law contacted RF 4 days ago, they now say they have no record of the item, despite sending them a copy of the timed/dated receipt with the PO office branch on it.
So, now, today, apparently, Daughter-in-law has heard that thee PO has 'found' around 200 parcels and packages that were 'missed' (how do you 'miss' 200+ parcels!) and that they are now going to 'ensure they are entered into the system later today' and should be delivered within the next week!!
I mean, How the Hell, do they get away with it? No apology, or refund, just a shrug of the shoulders and 'oh well' attitude!!
Daughter-in -law posted a small present for granddaughter over 10 days ago, (4 days before her birthday), supposed to be 48hr delivery. To date, not received item. Daughter-in-law gave us the tracking number the day it was posted, and we haven't been able to track it, as Royal Fail say 'tracking will become available when the item enters our system' despite it being handed in at the local post office, and the receipt time & date stamped 10 days ago.
Daughter-in-law contacted RF 4 days ago, they now say they have no record of the item, despite sending them a copy of the timed/dated receipt with the PO office branch on it.
So, now, today, apparently, Daughter-in-law has heard that thee PO has 'found' around 200 parcels and packages that were 'missed' (how do you 'miss' 200+ parcels!) and that they are now going to 'ensure they are entered into the system later today' and should be delivered within the next week!!
I mean, How the Hell, do they get away with it? No apology, or refund, just a shrug of the shoulders and 'oh well' attitude!!
You really put the ass in ASSumption. I painted it where the captive nut came out.Maybe the captive nut broke off because someone glued it to the panel after they painted it, and there definitely won't be any exposed metal now where you have just put a stainless steel bolt.
Oh well that will definitely do the job against those Scottish winters and heavily salted roads
.the fact you managed to rip the nut off suggests rot might have already set in. So you’ve just painted over the rust!
To be honest it doesn’t matter one bit what you’ve done or what I think.
I was really just laughing at the somewhat contradictory stance of “fiats all rust” but then taking offence if someone says something that actually agrees with your belief, you’re very weird.
Maybe you should go buy another car and leave fiat ownership to people who actually like them, may I suggest a Lexus
Aye, the rust in Felicity - the Panda in my avatar picture - was ferocious. She just fell apart. Doors, floors, wings, box sections and so on. In the end she got so bad that there just wasn't any good metal left to weld new stuff to! The "newer" ones, so I'm talking the 169, are a vast improvement and don't seem to rust at anything like the rate the old ones did. Apart from the rear axle problem I'd say they are as good, if not slightly better, than many others. Funny thing though is that the tubular "Omega" type rear axle in Felicity was still in excellent condition when we had to part company. The axle in Becky is a poor substitute for it.Well, my view of fiat is the B reg uno we had, doors were rotting off it before it reached 10 years!
Absolutely! Mirrors my feelings regarding the Amundsen system in my new Scala. I don't want all this c**p, I just want a "driver's" car ie. steering wheel, pedals, gear lever etc. I could do without a screen altogether and if I've got to have one then I really don't need to be greeted by it every time I start the car and asked to initiate this or that update - Aaaaargh! The Scala drives very nicely and I enjoy the behind wheel experience but my old Mk2 Astra 1.8 SXI was a far more satisfying drive without the distraction of all this stupid "tech" stuff. Can't manufacturers produce one version of each model which has the option to refuse all this distracting stuff?
Funnily enough I had a very brief look under the bonnet of a sightly older version of one of these a while ago - I forget the model but it was one of the smaller ones. A good friend, who used to be a Toyota factory technical rep, has been trying to convert me to Toyota products for years so, when this one appeared at a local dealer I know I went along for a look see. One thing that "terrified" me was that the brake master cylinder looked like it was an integral part of the ABS unit? Anyway, the insurance was going to be so much more than my usual choice of car I didn't look into it any deeper - suspect repair costs might be "silly" though?may I suggest a Lexus
I had grandparents who would only ever buy Toyotas, My first car was a toyota and while I have nothing really bad to say about them or indeed anything to say about them I find them wholly unremarkable. I do remember the original Lexus LS coming to market and that was a very special car back in the 90s, not like the dishwater dull stuff they churn out now. Toyota went from being the biggest seller of cars by volume and has since dropped out of that top spot because they just don't interest people any more.
They are however the defacto go too car of people who are not car people, people who do not want to think about their car, don't want any hassle from motoring and don't want any interest in their car from other people. I am sure their cars are still perfectly adequate in everyway.... but nothing beyond adequate.
The irony of my grandparents and their love of Japanese cars was their bias against anything german built, because we were at war with germany. (these grandparents would be nearly 100 years old now if they were still alive) yet they missed that the Japanese were also in the war, and my grandfather worked for VW for a long time, so while he was happy to take their money he wouldn't buy their cars, a very weird position to take, not that any of that mattered as he had company cars anyway. When my mum wanted a beetle in the 60s she had to sneak out and buy one without him knowing, only telling her parents when she brought it home
I think the new ones are far more complicated than the one in my golf. Mine doesn't need updating every 30 seconds, there are nice big buttons around the screen for the main features. The touch screen has gesture technology which makes icons bigger when you move your hand near the radio. mainly all I do is get in the car and drive, either playing music on my phone or putting the radio on.
From the phone it connects to CarPlay and I have installed an Alexa-Auto to the car so that I can basically voice control all my music from Amazon and turn on lights at home for my arrival and put the kettle on before I get in the door..... OK so maybe I have made it a little more techy than it was to start with.
The Punto when I get around to the audio system is just going to get a nice retro style head unit no touch screen, nothing fancy, its an old car and basic it needs a basic radio.
Regarding rust perhaps someone with electrical background can shed some light.
As an apprentice before the advent of alternators most vehicles were Positive earth, it was not uncommon to see corrosion around the battery terminal area, so now with Negative earthing I wonder if there is a connection (no pun intended) re Anodes ,Cathodes and car body rust?
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I had a neighbour who was in the Burma Star Association and worked as a prisoner on the Burma Railway and yet happy to run Japanese cars whilst other ex WW2 servicemen were extremely against them.The irony of my grandparents and their love of Japanese cars was their bias against anything german built, because we were at war with germany. (these grandparents would be nearly 100 years old now if they were still alive) yet they missed that the Japanese were also in the war, and my grandfather worked for VW for a long time, so while he was happy to take their money he wouldn't buy their cars, a very weird position to take, not that any of that mattered as he had company cars anyway. When my mum wanted a beetle in the 60s she had to sneak out and buy one without him knowing, only telling her parents when she brought it home
Yes to some degree.
really with galvanic corrosion you don't even need the presence of electricity, if you have two dissimilar metals in electrical contact via an electrically conductive sollution, IE you have a stainless steel bolt and a mild steel body pannel, and that part of the car is covered in rain water that contains road salts and other contiminants, they the bolt and pannel don't even have to be touching, and the steel where ever water gets into touch actual metal, will corrode much quicker as a result of te galvanic reaction.
On big ships they install massive lumps of metal called galvanic anodes onto the hull, to focus the corrosion on the anode and save the metal. The metal will still rust a bit but nothing like the anode which will literally dissolve in the water.
The anode material is chosen based on the conditions. Ie most ships in the salty sea will use zinc or aluminum. In cleaner water areas like lakes and rivers you tend to use things like Magnesium,
Cars when made are Galvanic dipped, a kind of green coloured paint that contains zinc, but as per the chemistry the zinc in the paint is sacrificial and while it take the brunt of the corrosion over the steel it covers, given enough time and enough salt. the paint will eventually break down and let the water in, and is much worse with any little chip or ding in the paint that breaks the surface.
If you look at galvanic anodes used on ships, they are stuck over the paint. In the case of stainless steel, mild steel becomes the anode and will rust quicker.
That's why on modern cars aluminum parts can appear so covered in corrosion the alloy is a natural anode to the steel body.
