Wales - What a joke

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Wales - What a joke

So what you're saying is they rejected it but now they're in power they're just not going to mention it?
Mention what? That they didn't support it in the first place?

More like the fancy machines not able to read spoiled papers because most of the people are too think to mark them properly. Or better yet just breaking down. Some zones weren't counted at all, some system.
What so the system was designed so papers were read wrong?




As much as anyone from outside likes to think, only a small minority speak it. Mostly up north. Why do we need the same signs we've been used to for years ruined with some dead language? You don't see the USA building Klingon road signs and yet that's a second language to them.
Should we burn history books too? Since America doesn't teach History using Star Trek?

I disagree, when drivng with the family the surfaces were like silk compared to here.
Well on my travels across the UK I find very little difference in the road surfaces of the UK. But then 18" and lowered so probably don't feel the bumps as much as some do.


Any tower block from the 60s looks better than that thing. Not to mention the flaws extending inside. It's like a cave, dark ages all round.
Yeah ok Weegievilles tower blocks look better than the Parliament building. :ROFLMAO:


I hate this country.

You'd never guess. You seem so balanced and conservative in your views about it. Or maybe you should move? You obviously hate it and I'm sure there are millions of people who would love to come to Scotland in your place.
 
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Mention what? That they didn't support it in the first place?

Basically, they're a bunch of Hypocrites. E.g. Tell us all the time they don't support trident and all of a sudden, a pair of supercarrier are to be built in the shipyards on either side by BAE systems and then they start supporting that. They say it creates jobs but then what was wrong with the jobs trident had anyway?

Fatty First minister is so thick and full of himself he could misname the country we stand on in a speech and force us to change the name just because.


What so the system was designed so papers were read wrong?

Open your eyes! Fautly machines (to replace humans counting manually) that either broke down or couldn't read ballot papers because the ones marking them couldn't write a simple x.



Should we burn history books too? Since America doesn't teach History using Star Trek?

Well la de da, just because they don't teach it doesn't mean those with too much time on their hands to learn their own history must start making up a language and hey, if the cooncil wants to create as many accidents as possible on the roads it'll be worth it for them. They have just as much fun with re routing Edinburgh's traffic system. It almost never ends, first they change it because they couldn't accept no for an answer to the conjestion charge rejections and now we have to have it changed again for this tram system. No one wants the trams, the new cooncil may agree with that but that doesn't mean it couldn't have stopped it at all. and how do we pay for it when they just took away some ideal methods for...actually that's a good idea, what are they playing at?


Or maybe you should move? You obviously hate it and I'm sure there are millions of people who would love to come to Scotland in your place.

Very well,I'll forward you the bill. If I had the money to move out I would have done it years ago.

Save the places for the foolish who read about this country in books and arrive to be pelted with baseball bat welding neds who get paid to sit on their asses all day with benefits instead of being put to use, say at the power station. As raw materials.
 
Very well,I'll forward you the bill. If I had the money to move out I would have done it years ago.

Save the places for the foolish who read about this country in books and arrive to be pelted with baseball bat welding neds who get paid to sit on their asses all day with benefits instead of being put to use, say at the power station. As raw materials.

Jeeze, you sound like you could win the lottery and still be depressed. Scotland has it's problems, like other countries do.

I've grown up in Paisley went to school in the centre of town, so I've seen the problems at first hand- same with Greenock, Glasgow, Edinburgh- junkies, neds and associated idiots.

I just chill and relax- the council make a mess of the roads in Edinburgh- it's a pain but no need for an ulcer- tram project used the wrong design for streets, but will be over soon. Politicians are hypocrites, well what is new-where aren't they? Voting machines weren't the best- well I've made errors in the past thinking something was better.

As for the roads- if you think England is better on that score I am amazed! I have done 800 miles in England under a week ago and it is err, very much the same!

In the end Scotland is still a great country- not without faults- but I find that the more I am away from it, the more I miss the place!

On the matter in hand, am I the only one who says good on the council? Mainly due to the reaction - pram emptied, toys everywhere! :devil: Equally the council cannot show any favouritism because he might invest somewhere else- that is just disadvantaging those who cannot do so- one rule for the rich one for joe bloggs. Just do the building up if you care so much about an eyesore...
 
Jeeze, you sound like you could win the lottery and still be depressed.

Tis true I'm afraid. Still, your post is a lot better the last two by Venters.

Just do the building up if you care so much about an eyesore...


I've got just the thing.

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Then we can rebuild it with the hospital custard suggested.
 
Well back to 306Maxi's point.
For the last 55 years all we as a country have really had to worry about was the Soviets in the 1960's. We are very wealthy (sorry, we used to be wealty), we don't have natural disasters as such, no famine to worry about, the health service works a treat etc. No need to fight for our future so we can afford to be very picky about what we allow to happen in a business development sense.
So over time we got lazy and complacent and inward looking.
Successive governments have done little else than find ways to meddle and look busy, and spend more money. So then they have to meddle some more to raise more taxes.
Then his Blairness and team came up with the idea of the Welsh and Scottish assemblies, to shut up the Nationalists.
So they created 2 huge talking shops and said we will provide the cake but you can be in charge of cutting it up and dishing it out. Apart from revenue raising, defence and a few other major issues, you can set your own agenda. But the truth is, there's not really a lot they can do apart from give away free uni places, or scrapping car parking charges at hospitals. In other words they have become experts in giving out taxpayer's money (English, Scottish and Welsh of course), and the spend per head is much higher than in England. They haven't a clue or an interest in actually raising money. That's somebody else's job, or they will creat an agency full of public servants, and say they have created new jobs!
I feel sorry for the Scots, and the Welsh, and us English, because we have been let down by politicians of all shades over the last 30 years in particular, because they have allowed themselves, and our country to doze and fall asleep and become bloated and lazy, whilst the Far East has got busier and busier.
 
But the truth is, there's not really a lot they can do apart from give away free uni places, or scrapping car parking charges at hospitals. In other words they have become experts in giving out taxpayer's money (English, Scottish and Welsh of course), and the spend per head is much higher than in England. They haven't a clue or an interest in actually raising money. That's somebody else's job, or they will creat an agency full of public servants, and say they have created new jobs!
I feel sorry for the Scots, and the Welsh, and us English, because we have been let down by politicians of all shades over the last 30 years in particular, because they have allowed themselves, and our country to doze and fall asleep and become bloated and lazy, whilst the Far East has got busier and busier.

Amen to all of that :)
 
Mmm. Did Scotland and Wales really need their own Parliaments/Assemblies? They would appear to be simply ways of producing more non-jobs. The real jobs were in manufacturing, because they in turn provide the means to supply the support/peripheral jobs.

We've gone from Empire with a huge ready made market where cars, trucks, ships and aircraft were sold to countries like India, South Africa and Australia because just about the only source of such products were from Britain to a world market where British industry has had to fight for its sales against the rest of the world.

Shipbuilding in Scotland, as well as elsewhere in the UK was riven with industrial unrest and poor management. The problems on the Clyde in the '60s were so bad that the Labour government of the day under Harold Wilson nationalised most of the shipyards in that area under the name of Upper Clyde Shipbuilders. This company finally went under after 2 years with a full order book, yet they were losing money hand over fist.

When England have got to the later stages of the World Cup, or in Rugby competitions, there are no end of Scots queueing up to knock England. Conversely, when Scotland got to later stages of the World Cup, you couldn't move, in Manchester at least, for locals wearing Scottish football shirts, yet too often we get moans of Linwood no more, Bathgate no more.

In my view, having Regional Assemblies for Scotland and Wales is a breathtaking waste of money and it seems quite obvious they are not having any real effect on the country. It was the British Empire that provided the work for the Scottish shipyards that bought the steel from the Welsh steelworks and went to sail around the world for English based shipping lines like Cunard, P&O and White Star.

Without the various areas that made up the United Kingdon of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, no part of the Brtish Isles would have been successful. The Billions that have been spent on dividing the UK into mini states could have been spent on housing, roads and building up and promoting industry.

The fact that permission to move, not demolish, an old property was denied is indicative of the obstructive manner of many local politicians who do not have the wider picture in view. At Manchester Airport, the opposite is the case. The Airport has bought, under Compulsory Purchase Orders in many cases, a number of properties up to 300 years old. Most are listed, yet the Council will, at the drop of a hat, give permission for their demolition to make way for a new car park or freight warehouse. It is possible that vested interests are at work.
 
Unfortunately Beard old chap the B.E is not coming back!
That's what I meant in my post that as a nation (Britain not England) we have had little to worry about, so the natives got bored and restless and start flirting with thoughts of independence and fighting against Westminster, when we would all be better off pulling together and earning our keep in the world not just living on tick.
 
Have no fear oldcodger, I'm already composing a strongly worded letter to The Times.

I have to say though that someone has to look after local heritage and buildings, old or new, are part of it. Considering the man in question is intending to move the building not demolish it, the Council do seem to be unnecessarily obstructive.

In Manchester when permission for the Arndale Centre and other developments in the City centre was given, one fly in the ointment was "The Shambles" which was a group of Tudor half timbered buildings which included a pub. The whole block was jacked up and moved about a hundred yards to where it now stands.

Anyway, I think we should put the advantages of re-joining the Empire to some of these countries by sending a gunboat and.....what was that? We don't have any?

Don't worry, I'll write another strongly worded letter to The Times..........
 
When England have got to the later stages of the World Cup, or in Rugby competitions, there are no end of Scots queueing up to knock England. Conversely, when Scotland got to later stages of the World Cup, you couldn't move, in Manchester at least, for locals wearing Scottish football shirts.

Scotland in later stages of world cup......you tripping? However yes you are right and your point is taken...again I remember the whole street I was in erupting (in London) when Archie Gemill scored that peach against Holland.
Sadly a few weeks back there was a huge house party out the backdoor of a local scum neds house that had a gazeebo set up, tables and chairs, BBQ, beer & loads of joints getting fired up. What was this occasion for...the big german flag in the garden gave it away, yes the cheers for germany beating england were more than rather loud. :shakehead:


as a nation (Britain not England) we have had little to worry about, so the natives got bored and restless and start flirting with thoughts of independence and fighting against Westminster, when we would all be better off pulling together and earning our keep in the world not just living on tick.

If we ever get independence i'll certainly be moving south of the border before my house is worth £108.49p
 
I'll give you £109 for it; hang on, don't you have a dodgy nuclear power station in Springfield? I think I'll withdraw my bid.
 
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