General TwinAir Thread (including MPG)

[306maxi]

I'm sure it's marvellous if it's installed correctly but we have Daikin air source heating in the building here and it's generally the same temperature as it is outside

Ah, the issue with most stuff in the world. It's not installed or specced properly.

 

[nigelfar]

First week with my new TwinAir, earlier in week have been getting 50-52mpg. This morning I used "eco" mode for the fist time and got 57.6 mpg.

 

[ahmett]

Took me a while to find this thread!
Check this out.
Should i switch from the 1.4 to the Twinair.
I will have to thank Mr. Clarkson for this!

http://www.arbury.co.uk/about-us/latest-news/fiat-500-twin-air.aspx

 

[rockaroller]

After 1600miles and 5 fills I am getting between 48 and 55mpg. But as you guys said when I joined.... if you love the sound of the twin eco mode will be off and your foot will be heavier. Still much better than my MX5 that gave me 29mpg. Great little car

RaR

 

[loveshandbags]

Took me a while to find this thread!
Check this out.
Should i switch from the 1.4 to the Twinair.
I will have to thank Mr. Clarkson for this!

http://www.arbury.co.uk/about-us/latest-news/fiat-500-twin-air.aspx

The TA would seem like a good choice for you ahmett. You appear to spend a lot of time crawling around Athens turning the engine off and doing a little bit of safe free wheeling. It will use less petrol than a 4 cylinder engine idling at the 'lights'. It will also have a bit of go for those costal runs. It's a pity you didn't get the S/S on your model because you would have matched JCs test mpg.
Noticed on the 'Athens' regulations that all cars need to be Euro 5 and have emissions less than 140gr/km. You're lucky that you car just qualifies.

 

[ahmett]

The TA would seem like a good choice for you ahmett. You appear to spend a lot of time crawling around Athens turning the engine off and doing a little bit of safe free wheeling. It will use less petrol than a 4 cylinder engine idling at the 'lights'. It will also have a bit of go for those costal runs. It's a pity you didn't get the S/S on your model because you would have matched JCs test mpg.
Noticed on the 'Athens' regulations that all cars need to be Euro 5 and have emissions less than 140gr/km. You're lucky that you car just qualifies.

Yes shame about the SS and no need to spend 3000 euros just to get a TA! (taking into account the trade in cost of my fiat) I think my TA fuel consumption would be low 40s mpg vs. mid 30s that i am getting on the 1.4, yes you are right about it being a good match for my driving!
One thing that annoys me is rear drums though, why do they even still exist? Braking in the TA as good as 1.4?
Regulations in athens? You must be joking! Haha yeah i read that about the Euro 5 being 'planned' for central athens in the future but to be honest i dont think it will ever come into law, and be applied if it does. Most of the laws they discuss never become law, they havent even started on the closed professions yet let alone traffic law! Athens still has that crazy law where you cant go into town with a certain plate number e.g. even on even days odd on odd days, i have never followed it and never been caught either. The Euro 5 law would disqualify at least 80% of cars on the road!
Instead of worrying about pointless laws they should focus more on stopping drink driving and general bad standards of driving, or building decent roads! It is little wonder that Greece has one of the highest Road Death rate and for sure the highest considering its small population in the EU!
When i was driving in the UK it really was heaven, the only times i nearly had accidents were with those 'crazy foreigner' minicab drivers around London!

 

[loveshandbags]

One thing that annoys me is rear drums though, why do they even still exist? Braking in the TA as good as 1.4?

Brakes are technically better than the TA which are the same as the 1.2 ! Tyres are a key factor in braking and the 16s would be better again have a wider foot print. Key 'features' of the 1.4 are the rear discs (calipers look good painted red if you want the boy racer look) and the 'free' ASC/ESP is worthwhile (now a regulation for all new cars being delivered to the Dealer).

 

[ahmett]

Brakes are technically better than the TA which are the same as the 1.2 ! Tyres are a key factor in braking and the 16s would be better again have a wider foot print. Key 'features' of the 1.4 are the rear discs (calipers look good painted red if you want the boy racer look) and the 'free' ASC/ESP is worthwhile (now a regulation for all new cars being delivered to the Dealer).

Yeah to be honest if i am bored one day maybe i should go to the dealer near my house (i saw that they had a test twinair parked in front of their drive), take it for a spin and check whats going on with the price, specced to the same standard as my current car (i would want the xenonst though!!) I would spec ASC/ESP for sure, and regarding tires i dont think tehre is a big difference between the 15 inch 185 tires and the 16 inch 195 tires. If we were talking 185 and then 225 then yes i think there would be a big one!

I saw the basic price of the TA in greece is only like 400 euros lower than the 1.4 and this doesnt even include ESP so that would make that like 200 euros or even less lower! They dont come cheap these TA's!

 

[loveshandbags]

Yeah to be honest if i am bored one day maybe i should go to the dealer near my house (i saw that they had a test twinair parked in front of their drive), take it for a spin and check whats going on with the price, specced to the same standard as my current car (i would want the xenonst though!!) I would spec ASC/ESP for sure, and regarding tires i dont think tehre is a big difference between the 15 inch 185 tires and the 16 inch 195 tires. If we were talking 185 and then 225 then yes i think there would be a big one!

There's quite a bit of difference on braking on the 195/45 than the 185/55. The ASC does not seem to flash if you are being juvenile to stop wheel spin on the wider wheels. Still the 185/55 are the sensible choice for the TA given that it is lighter and is more nimble. The ASC/ESP should come for 'free' in the new year on the TA given the new regs.
A problem for us is the car tax and the lower the co2 the more wallet friendly. Our 'annual' car tax bands of A (less than 120grs/km), B (121-140), C (141-55) are €104, €156, €302. Highest band is €2,000. These are going up tomorrow by a proposed €50-€100. A lot of garage & individuals are keeping their fingers crossed.

 

[ahmett]

There's quite a bit of difference on braking on the 195/45 than the 185/55. The ASC does not seem to flash if you are being juvenile to stop wheel spin on the wider wheels. Still the 185/55 are the sensible choice for the TA given that it is lighter and is more nimble. The ASC/ESP should come for 'free' in the new year on the TA given the new regs.
A problem for us is the car tax and the lower the co2 the more wallet friendly. Our 'annual' car tax bands of A (less than 120grs/km), B (121-140), C (141-55) are €104, €156, €302. Highest band is €2,000. These are going up tomorrow by a proposed €50-€100. A lot of garage & individuals are keeping their fingers crossed.

Yeah in greece road tax for the 1.4 is 264 euros while the ta would be 120 euros WOULD BE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Chrisilda]

I'm confused ahmett TA is for free.
For a 1.2 normally is around 220? But in my case would be just 90! (car purchased after 2010 )

 

[ahmett]

I'm confused ahmett TA is for free.
For a 1.2 normally is around 220? But in my case would be just 90! (car purchased after 2010 )

Yes TA is free 1.2 is 120 and 1.4 is 264 according to the 2012 road tax figures. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm let me see what my dealer is offering (depending on how desperate he is to sell cars)

 

[Chrisilda]

Yes but in my case it's just 90 euros for the 1.2 because all the new cars purchased after 2010 are taxed based on CO2 emissions. (they are considered more enviromental friendly - so less road tax)

 

[Chrisilda]

• Up to 300 cubic centimeters 22 euro
• From 301 to 785 cubic centimeters 55 euro
• From 786 to 1,071 cubic centimeters 120 euro
• From 1,072 to 1,357 cubic centimeters 135 euro
• From 1,358 to 1,548 cubic cm 240 euro
• From 1,549 to 1,738 cubic centimeters 265 euro
• From 1,739 to 1,928 cubic centimeters 300 euro
• From 1,929 to 2,357 cubic centimeters 660 euro
• From 2,358 to 3,000 cubic centimeters 880 euro
• From 3,001 to 4,000 cubic centimeters 1,100 euro
• From 4,001 cc and over 1,320 euro

In contrast, cars in Greece registered for the first time on 1/11/2010 and onwards, charges incurred according to the carbon emission.

1.2 lounge = 90 euro

 

[ahmett]

• Up to 300 cubic centimeters 22 million
• From 301 to 785 cubic centimeters 55 million
• From 786 to 1,071 cubic centimeters 120 million
• From 1,072 to 1,357 cubic centimeters 135 million
• From 1,358 to 1,548 cubic cm 240 euros
• From 1,549 to 1,738 cubic centimeters 265 million
• From 1,739 to 1,928 cubic centimeters 300 million
• From 1,929 to 2,357 cubic centimeters 660 million
• From 2,358 to 3,000 cubic centimeters 880 million
• From 3,001 to 4,000 cubic centimeters 1,100 euros
• From 4,001 cc and over 1,320 euros

In contrast, cars in Greece registered for the first time on 1/11/2010 and onwards, charges incurred according to the carbon emission.

1.2 lounge = 90 euro

translated (I think) looks like.....
Extraordinary Contribution in cars more than 1.929 cc
1929 cc - 2000 cc : € 270
2001 cc - 2500 cc : € 395
2501 cc - 3000 cc : € 520
3001 cc - 3500 cc : € 695

B 301 - 785 .......55 €
C 786 - 1,071.......120 €
D 1,072 -1,357......135 €
E 1,358 -1,548......240 €
F 1,549 -1,738......265 €
G ' 1,739 -1,928......300 €
OR 1,929 -2,357......660 €
I ' 2,358 -3,000......880 €
I ' 3,001 -4,000......1,100 €
K ' 4,001 more........ 1,320 €

Second band.........cars with tax based on CO2 emissions......


0 – 100......... 0
101 – 120......0,9
121 – 140......1,1
141 – 160......1,7
161 – 180....2,25
181 – 200....2,55
201 – 250....2,8
Άνω των 251.....3,4

???

 

[Chrisilda]

Sorry for the million thing , i don't know how this happened.

With the following formula you calculate the road tax in terms of CO2 emissions.
Car emissions: 150 grams of carbon dioxide per kilometer then road tax paid equal to 150x1, 70 = 255 euros. Car emissions: 195 grams per kilometer shall pay a fee equal to 195x2, 55 = 497,25 euros

There is not a standard price list and what you have pasted are the indicators you should use in order to do the formula.

So, i made a mistake i have to pay 99 euros: 110 g/km * 0,9 = 99

 

[loveshandbags]

Sorry for the million thing , i don't know how this happened.

With the following formula you calculate the road tax in terms of CO2 emissions.
Car emissions: 150 grams of carbon dioxide per kilometer then road tax paid equal to 150x1, 70 = 255 euros. Car emissions: 195 grams per kilometer shall pay a fee equal to 195x2, 55 = 497,25 euros

There is not a standard price list and what you have pasted are the indicators you should use in order to do the formula.

So, i made a mistake i have to pay 99 euros: 110 g/km * 0,9 = 99

Does that mean that if you had opted for the S/S it would have been cheaper.

 

[Chrisilda]

Nuuh! S/S means less fuel consumption. The emissions are standard and these figures are given by fiat for each engine

 

[loveshandbags]

Nuuh! S/S means less fuel consumption. The emissions are standard and these figures are given by fiat for each engine

Normally the emissons are lower on the S/S. IIRC there was a difference of 6grms/km i.e. 119 verus 113 but this may have dropped on the 'newer' models.

 

[306maxi]

There's quite a bit of difference on braking on the 195/45 than the 185/55.

Plus there is a better choice of sporty tyres for the 16" rims.