Of course not. How many parents do you think have threatened their children with a beating if they so much as think about getting involved in this?
Tottenham Riots
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Of course not. How many parents do you think have threatened their children with a beating if they so much as think about getting involved in this?
Don't agree. They have a lack of respect for others because they have never been taught to have any respect others or their property.
If you mean the middle classes have things that some others don't have. True, and why not if they came by them honestly and by hard work? As far as I am aware we don't have communism here, and even where they do, there are plenty of haves and have nots. That's life. Most of the people affected by these riots will be honest working class people. All of you who pay tax or buy insurance, or have a mortgage will directly or indirectly be affected by all this. We are not all Philip Green's you know?
Whatever happened to having what is yours and keeping your grubby hands off what isn't yours?
I have no idea? Have you? Not enough though I suspect.
Nonsense.
You ask any one of them if they'd take a job in ASDA, or a similar low paid job.
The answer you'd get?
'Nah bruv, I too cool for dat yo'
That's probably true, but if you are ina position to add (and I am no expert):
Rent / council tax/ invalidity allowance becuase you have been depressed since they closed your local boozer down/ school meals/ clothing grants/ free dentistry/free prescriptions and everything else that a working person pays, then it all adds up to more than £50 a week to a lot of people.
The thing is that the middle class in the UK judge each other and place worth upon themselves by what they own. You only need to look in the 500 forum for example where at times we've had people who've talked down about Panda owners and people who don't have a new car. Not all 500 owners are like this, but over the last few years there have been a few right superficial people.
The UK is a very superficial society and people like to shove their "wealth" in others faces, moreso than in Australia IMHO.
True. I was really pissed off when I got refused for contributions based JSA because they worked it out on the 08/09 and 09/10 tax years in which due to either not having a visa to work legally or just not being able to find a job, I only worked about 11 months over the 2 year period. Don't worry about the 10/11 tax year where I worked for the whole year. Twunts.
What you are trying to describe is called aspiration. Some people push that too far I suppose.
When I was at school, a friend of mine was more left wing than Arthur Scargill. He attended Socialist Worker marches, wore CMD badges before they were fashionable, only believed in social housing, and everything should be nationalised etc etc.
I bumped into him 10 years later and he was married with kids and a mortgage.
I asked him what had happened to the Che Guevara we knew at school?
"I grew up" he said.
Ok, some people get money and have no class and no manners how ever much they have, and I hate them too, but does that give me a right to put their windows in? NO.
What about the pensioner struggling along and who is gripped by fear if they are a day late paying the gas bill? Would they ever have thought that the way ahead was to set fire to a business that has emplyed people for a hundred years? NO
All this rioting has come about for a combination of reasons, but at the root of it is that there is no fear amongst certain types of people because the state will always pick up the tab, whether they have kids they can't afford, or go to jail, or simply waste their time at school and can't even read - so what, there's always the dole.
Making excuses for them gives them some relief, when we should be united in condemnation.
anyway, as much fun as this is, I've got work to do!
When I was at school, a friend of mine was more left wing than Arthur Scargill. He attended Socialist Worker marches, wore CMD badges before they were fashionable, only believed in social housing, and everything should be nationalised etc etc.
I bumped into him 10 years later and he was married with kids and a mortgage.
I asked him what had happened to the Che Guevara we knew at school?
"I grew up" he said.
Ok, some people get money and have no class and no manners how ever much they have, and I hate them too, but does that give me a right to put their windows in? NO.
What about the pensioner struggling along and who is gripped by fear if they are a day late paying the gas bill? Would they ever have thought that the way ahead was to set fire to a business that has emplyed people for a hundred years? NO
All this rioting has come about for a combination of reasons, but at the root of it is that there is no fear amongst certain types of people because the state will always pick up the tab, whether they have kids they can't afford, or go to jail, or simply waste their time at school and can't even read - so what, there's always the dole.
Making excuses for them gives them some relief, when we should be united in condemnation.
anyway, as much fun as this is, I've got work to do!
Me too. Still I'd happily have them all shot......
I have noticed this also, and it manifests itself in the 6-monthly threads in one section (in particular) asking "should I wait for the next plate to come out before I get my car?" Here in Australia, registration doesn't link to car age in any meaningful way, so we don't give two tosses about it
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well, you can get a cheaper car before the plate changes over
I have noticed this also, and it manifests itself in the 6-monthly threads in one section (in particular) asking "should I wait for the next plate to come out before I get my car?" Here in Australia, registration doesn't link to car age in any meaningful way, so we don't give two tosses about it
And the sort of stuff like "What do you think?"
Seriously, it's not their focking car, it's yours! Do what YOU want to do.
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Ha I was quite a few years ago, but since then I have gained a wealth of knowledge & experience. But dont let 56 fool you, I'm still fit as a fiddle, I still play 6 a side footy & can run the legs off kids half my age as all they ever do is play on XBoxes etc lol! Age is really just a number!
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Yeah and yours is double mine gramps
You boy show some respec innit!
You have a lot to learn although you wont think you do...
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Okay im gunna try and remember what 306maxi said a few posts back:
Something to do with most english being racist or something.
If that is so, then how do you change the embedded opinions of all those people. You have certainly made me realise that my views were simply coming from those around me (not all of them).
For example, came to work today, mate said some bad things about all the "f*** pak** that are doing this". went and sat at my desk. manager said same. Went for dinner. Everyone in the staff room said the same.
Im not trying to say racism/pisstaking is okay, but its everywhere. Whether you are or not, most of white british/english (dont argue over it) do use racist comments every day.
So how do you stop everybody thinking that way? Like you said, color is not nationality, but that is because people/humankind are not used to the idea of a dark skinned person coming from England, for example, and hence it is not an instant thought to think of them as English.
It exists and is really difficult to get out of people. It is just there - unfortunate as it is.
Anyway, all this did start to die down, as have the protests/rioting, so i apologise to bring it back up.
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Something to do with most english being racist or something.
If that is so, then how do you change the embedded opinions of all those people. You have certainly made me realise that my views were simply coming from those around me (not all of them).
For example, came to work today, mate said some bad things about all the "f*** pak** that are doing this". went and sat at my desk. manager said same. Went for dinner. Everyone in the staff room said the same.
Im not trying to say racism/pisstaking is okay, but its everywhere. Whether you are or not, most of white british/english (dont argue over it) do use racist comments every day.
So how do you stop everybody thinking that way? Like you said, color is not nationality, but that is because people/humankind are not used to the idea of a dark skinned person coming from England, for example, and hence it is not an instant thought to think of them as English.
It exists and is really difficult to get out of people. It is just there - unfortunate as it is.
Anyway, all this did start to die down, as have the protests/rioting, so i apologise to bring it back up.
Sam.
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What about the three 'f*cking p*kis' that were run over by one of the trouble makers and subsequently died whilst they were trying to defend their community?
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Good on them. They have more bravery than a lot of people. Which was also said. You were not getting my point at all.
Im trying to say how can you change a huge number of people into not being racist/or **** takers out of other races.
Too many people live in the past where it used to be a near all white country, but how do you change people's perceptions?
Anyway, hope everybody is okay now the riots are dying down. Although there were some disagreements over opinions and views, im sure we would all help each other if we were neighbours at times like this..
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You must have some incredibly ignorant friends / manager.
As far as I am concerned, anybody who abides by our laws, works if they can, pays their taxes, supports our country and has respect for their fellow citizens can be any colour shape or size they like. I have a business paryner who is an F****** P*** according to soem people, but to me he is an honest, very hardworking entrepreneur who pays his taxes on the nail and goes to church (yes church) every Sunday with or without a hnagover!
Anyway, let's hope this weather up north at least will keep the scrotes indoors tonight and we can move on to other things.
As far as I am concerned, anybody who abides by our laws, works if they can, pays their taxes, supports our country and has respect for their fellow citizens can be any colour shape or size they like. I have a business paryner who is an F****** P*** according to soem people, but to me he is an honest, very hardworking entrepreneur who pays his taxes on the nail and goes to church (yes church) every Sunday with or without a hnagover!
Anyway, let's hope this weather up north at least will keep the scrotes indoors tonight and we can move on to other things.
