wel, maybe not a moron, but definately a text book fanboy.
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the original nissan micra........
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the original nissan micra........
FIATforum would be a lot quieter place without us though....
the K10 has long proven it was a lot better than people gave it credit for (apart from rust), but even more impressive imo is the fact that Nissan continued this trend with the K11.
the K11 won euro car of the year when it was released (first jap car to win it), was the most reliable car in its class throughout its production, and will no doubt join the K10 as an under-rated ugly shopping car that in hindsight was a lot better than people gave it credit for. i think the K10 was great, but the K11 was brilliant. you cant really fault them apart from styling. kind of the opposite of a mk1 punto if you know what i mean.
the K11 won euro car of the year when it was released (first jap car to win it), was the most reliable car in its class throughout its production, and will no doubt join the K10 as an under-rated ugly shopping car that in hindsight was a lot better than people gave it credit for. i think the K10 was great, but the K11 was brilliant. you cant really fault them apart from styling. kind of the opposite of a mk1 punto if you know what i mean.
Am I missing some thing here as I read on here when I first joined here that the Mk1 micra was built by fiat as the original Uno but didnt like it so sold it on to nissan and thats why the bumper off there fits the Uno :chin: YES same platform
k10 originally built by fiat? they wish
the mk1 style micras aren't too bad. from looks anyway. i'd rather walk everywhere, actually i'd rather die than own a mk2 micra. seen them crashed, almost killed my friend in one case. and also i've seen them at the hands of a 'boy racer' in front of me. then dissapearing from my rear view mirror. and they're just :yuck: small cars are bland enough, but the micra takes the biscuit.
The K11 does exactly what it sets out to do with enormous success. It is a cheap to run, cheap to service, endlessly reliable car which is for the most part completely inoffensive. My mum had one from 1997 until about a month ago and it never ever kicked up a fuss once. It was used by the whole family and myself and both of my brothers learnt to drive in it.
I have never known any other car to be so bulletproof. Sure, they're bouncy round corners and the styling is, as has become well known in this thread, not to everyone's taste, but it's hardly as though the car was meant to be anything other than dependable, cheap transport in the first place.
The Micra really is automotive Ronseal.
I have never known any other car to be so bulletproof. Sure, they're bouncy round corners and the styling is, as has become well known in this thread, not to everyone's taste, but it's hardly as though the car was meant to be anything other than dependable, cheap transport in the first place.
The Micra really is automotive Ronseal.
PMSL., fiat would love to take the credit for that one., them micra's are even more reliable that some modern fiats.,lol
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i think youll find that both the Micra and Uno were designed by Pininfarina
the Micra is a rejected offer that PF gave to Fiat as design for the Uno
the platform is Nissans own, but some of the design (body-wise) is similar to the Uno
the Micra is a rejected offer that PF gave to Fiat as design for the Uno
the platform is Nissans own, but some of the design (body-wise) is similar to the Uno
Pininfarina are only designers, they have nothing to do with engineering side of things and thats where the micra wins out over the uno.,.,
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Pininfarina are only designers, they have nothing to do with engineering side of things and thats where the micra wins out over the uno.,.,
ive had a look see, and it was ItalDesign, not PF, which is an automobile design and engineering company, so had some hand in that side of things..
and not really, the nissan might be more reliable, but the Uno was a better looker, handler, had a wider spread of engines and trim levels
it offered the acclaimed F.I.R.E range of engines, and at the time was praised for its design and packaging
It also won Car of the Year the year it came out, something it look the Micra 9 years to do
so no, the Micra may of lasted longer, but that doesnt make it the better car
ItalDesign are the Giorgetto Giugiaro company, as in the people the designed the grande and a lot of maserati's etc, as far as i know the were responsible for the body style of the micra and thats it,., and it used nissans own 1litre engine at first, until they started puting 1.2L engines in.,
can only be a matter of opinion on which is better, people could argue it all day, personally is have the the micra, i dont like the look of the uno, and we all know how "good" the fire engine really is.,lol, but by todays standards of extra's both of the cars are very primative.,,.,.,
can only be a matter of opinion on which is better, people could argue it all day, personally is have the the micra, i dont like the look of the uno, and we all know how "good" the fire engine really is.,lol, but by todays standards of extra's both of the cars are very primative.,,.,.,
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as far as you know
I never said they didnt
I know, but im going on what Automotive references say was the better car, not for only my personal opinion like you.
Going from what Jug said, the Uno won Car of the Year, theres a reason for that, they dont pick it out of a hat
pretty good? it was a massive step forward at the time, and there is a reason that versions of the engine are still in use today, and not just in use, but not compleatly outclassed either (car mags favorite the Panda 100hp uses a version of the Super-fire) the engines themselves are fine, but Fiat tend to put them in cars that are too big :chin:
but by todays standards of extra's both of the cars are very primitive.,,.,.,
yes, yes they are, but then that happens to all cars. What comes standard in your run of the mill Focus wowed people years ago when it was released on the Merc S-Class
Ital also styled the austin morris Ital in the 80's.
The mk1 micra, my mates had 2 of them and nothing ever went wrong with them.
My seat ibiza was killed by a prat in a mk2 micra which folded like tinfoil compared to the ibiza.
our kid has the new shape micra and it is full of dents- I honestly think the wind could dent this car. Also all the paint is knackered on the front bumper where he hit something.
One thing I hate about jap cars is the material they use for covering seats- take the toyota auris, nice car, sh!t interior.
Its the material that time forgot
The mk1 micra, my mates had 2 of them and nothing ever went wrong with them.
My seat ibiza was killed by a prat in a mk2 micra which folded like tinfoil compared to the ibiza.
our kid has the new shape micra and it is full of dents- I honestly think the wind could dent this car. Also all the paint is knackered on the front bumper where he hit something.
One thing I hate about jap cars is the material they use for covering seats- take the toyota auris, nice car, sh!t interior.
Its the material that time forgot
also my biggest compaint about jap cars. plenty of nice cars are ruined by totally crap material. the colour schemes and patterns are terrible.
and even when they try really hard they still get it wrong
integra type r, yummy :yum:
bright red seats, WTF!!! :bang:
the seats in my brothers micra look like they're made from the material that flat caps are made from
as far as you know
I never said they didnt
I know, but im going on what Automotive references say was the better car, not for only my personal opinion like you.
Going from what Jug said, the Uno won Car of the Year, theres a reason for that, they dont pick it out of a hat
pretty good? it was a massive step forward at the time, and there is a reason that versions of the engine are still in use today, and not just in use, but not compleatly outclassed either (car mags favorite the Panda 100hp uses a version of the Super-fire) the engines themselves are fine, but Fiat tend to put them in cars that are too big :chin:
yes, yes they are, but then that happens to all cars. What comes standard in your run of the mill Focus wowed people years ago when it was released on the Merc S-Class
:yeahthat:
yeah i was saying about them new micra's too., there a joke and the gearbox in them is terrible too.,
Not sure about the toyota auris but my brother has the new corolla and i like the seats in that., would imagne they'd be the same no?
Automotive references are a load of cr*p though,
they all have different opinions contradicting each other and there based on the car as new, so they cant have any opinion of reliability at that stage., owners opinions are the only reliable ones., only the other night i heard jezza clarkson saying that "fiat punto's are rubbish"., and look where we all are now., ,lol.,notice you said
instead of it actually outclassing other engines in its self.
,loland nice excuse for them there.
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accoring to most of the stuff i've read the uno was a classic fiat, capable chassis, willing engines, nice looking, but drops to bits, troublesome electrics, and often painful to own.
but thats what italian cars are all about, and judging by how many fiat s.p.a. cars with exactly the same characteristics have won euro car of the year, either fiat offer the best bribes or the judges like beautiful cars that are good to drive. (the fact that they're shoddily built and full of faults doesnt seem to matter)
Fiat 124 (1967)
Fiat 128 (1970)
Fiat 127 (1972)
Lancia Delta (1980)
Fiat Uno (1984)
Fiat Tipo (1989)
Fiat Punto (1995)
Fiat Bravo/Brava (1996)
Alfa Romeo 156 (1998)
Alfa Romeo 147 (2001)
Fiat Panda (2004)
at first glance its a list of the least relibale cars you can own
but thats what italian cars are all about, and judging by how many fiat s.p.a. cars with exactly the same characteristics have won euro car of the year, either fiat offer the best bribes or the judges like beautiful cars that are good to drive. (the fact that they're shoddily built and full of faults doesnt seem to matter)
Fiat 124 (1967)
Fiat 128 (1970)
Fiat 127 (1972)
Lancia Delta (1980)
Fiat Uno (1984)
Fiat Tipo (1989)
Fiat Punto (1995)
Fiat Bravo/Brava (1996)
Alfa Romeo 156 (1998)
Alfa Romeo 147 (2001)
Fiat Panda (2004)
at first glance its a list of the least relibale cars you can own
accoring to most of the stuff i've read the uno was a classic fiat, capable chassis, willing engines, nice looking, but drops to bits, troublesome electrics, and often painful to own.
but thats what italian cars are all about, and judging by how many fiat s.p.a. cars with exactly the same characteristics have won euro car of the year, either fiat offer the best bribes or the judges like beautiful cars that are good to drive. (the fact that they're shoddily built and full of faults doesnt seem to matter)
Fiat 124 (1967)
Fiat 128 (1970)
Fiat 127 (1972)
Lancia Delta (1980)
Fiat Uno (1984)
Fiat Tipo (1989)
Fiat Punto (1995)
Fiat Bravo/Brava (1996)
Alfa Romeo 156 (1998)
Alfa Romeo 147 (2001)
Fiat Panda (2004)
at first glance its a list of the least relibale cars you can own
Add on near misses and you include pretty much the rest of the Fiat range. Think Multipla was 2nd in the year it was introduced.
My old Specialized Hardrock was 100% reliable compared to my Specialized FSR Extreme. I know which I'd rather ride though. Being reliable wont win the hearts and minds of people who still have some excitement in their lives.
