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Hi all, im sure this has been asked before but i cant find an answer..
Can anyone let me know the road tax cost for a 100hp panda 169 please.
Thanks in advance
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Could depend on year..
Are you discussing a specific car?
It's emissions based, the 100HP is 154g/km, Band G.
Current tax is £205pa.
Same year car in 1.2 form is £30pa.
Depending on your age & driving history, insurance could be a factor also.
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The 1.2 4x4 is also £205
Same standard 1.2 60hp engine, just all the 4x4 gear adds weight and makes it work a bit harder.
Same standard 1.2 60hp engine, just all the 4x4 gear adds weight and makes it work a bit harder.
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My insurer gave a higher quote for a 1.2/60 than for the 100HP. I asked them to check again but they confirmed it was correct. So well worth asking.
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As said above, the wife's 2009 1.2 is £30 a year, my 2009 1.4 is £205 a year
It (the 4wd system) ads significant drag which effects the emissions and MPG a lot more than any weight difference unfortunately.
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It's clearly political. You could spend £100s to convert your car to LPG which significantly reduces CO2 emissions, yet your road tax will not be affected. However, fuel costs will drop by 50%, which is largely tax, so its not pointless if you do the miles.
The difference will not turn a V12 Jag into a Fiat Panda but there's about 15% reduction is CO2 from well to wheels. It says here that LPG also makes 5x less NOx than diesel. https://www.drivelpg.co.uk/about-autogas/environmental-benefits/
The difference will not turn a V12 Jag into a Fiat Panda but there's about 15% reduction is CO2 from well to wheels. It says here that LPG also makes 5x less NOx than diesel. https://www.drivelpg.co.uk/about-autogas/environmental-benefits/
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I believe you need to fill in and send of a V70 to the DVLA to change a vehicle’s tax class along with proof that you’ve made the changes on headed paper from the garage that undertook the work. This applies to all sorts of changes as I remember so it’s not impossible to change the tax class, however if you fitted LPG to a petrol car I’m not sure it makes much difference because you could have the work done and continue to drive around on petrol only for the rest of the life of the car, or worse still you could get a mate who owns a garage to say the work had been done and change the class anyway, either way you’re not actually changing anything about the engine or the way it burns fuel and usually with LPG you can’t give up the petrol as you need to start the car on petrol before switching to LPG, in any case there is no “fixed” rate of emissions from an LPG car because of the switching between fuels and that it doesn’t have to use any LPG at all.
If you change the engine to electric then you can probably get it changed to zero tax.
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The argument against LPG does not stand up because plug in hybrid vehicles have very low tax rates, but are driven 99% of the time on petrol. Some have never had the power plug unwrapped. As far as I know a car could be made 100% LPG, but would still have no effect on its tax status.
Just buy a classic car more than 40 years old. Road tax is zero.
I'm not sure that converting a car to 100% electric will change the tax status. Google was no help. But any major change is a legal requirement. They have to be recorded with the DVLA. Even a new engine number should be recorded.
Just buy a classic car more than 40 years old. Road tax is zero.
I'm not sure that converting a car to 100% electric will change the tax status. Google was no help. But any major change is a legal requirement. They have to be recorded with the DVLA. Even a new engine number should be recorded.
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Because of type approval and not because of some bloke tinkering in the garage trying to get cheaper car tax.
I believe if it’s a type approve factory fitted duel fuel system then there is a discount for the VED, but not after market fitted, same as if you have a factory hybrid and not stuck and electric motor on the back wheels of any normal car and called it a hybrid.
Hybrids might be “plug in” but they can still charge there internal battery and use that energy to reduce emissions. A petrol car can’t make its own LPG while rolling down a hill to use later
Given the massive costs of putting a car through testing to a ascertain the tax band of any given model, the dvla is not just going to take your word for it that the emissions are now......
Also yes you can get an electric converted car’s tax band changed to A for Zero road tax, as long as the electric comes from an external source and is stored in the car while in use.
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Not so, it drops by all of £10 a year
Citation please. Sounds like the usual made up cod’s wallop. Certainly won’t be the case for domestic users as no one is going to pay more than they need to for a vehicle with additional features that they don’t then use. Plus you don’t have to unwrap the ‘power plug’ as you’ll use your workplace or home charger normally.
Equally BIK is now not to dissimilar for a PHEV as it is for a ICE vehicle. It’s only full BEVs that receive a healthy BIK.
Not so, it drops by all of £10 a year
Citation please. Sounds like the usual made up cod’s wallop. Certainly won’t be the case for domestic users as no one is going to pay more than they need to for a vehicle with additional features that they don’t then use. Plus you don’t have to unwrap the ‘power plug’ as you’ll use your workplace or home charger normally.
Equally BIK is now not to dissimilar for a PHEV as it is for a ICE vehicle. It’s only full BEVs that receive a healthy BIK.
It's is true according to several study's I've seen
A lot of these plug in hybrid's have never been plugged into charge over several years
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Citation then please
You really shouldn’t believe everything you see in a ‘study’.
It's was mainly fleet ones o believe bought for the cheeper tax
But more then Likely thousands of home user will have never plugged them in as lots of people buy a car for looks or for the brand rather what the car is itself
So no factual basis to back this up what so ever, just the usual fake news and rubbish that people start rumour mills with :rumour::nono::chin:
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No citation needed. It's common sense that any business will maximise it's tax savings. It was the same with diesels (low CO2) and before that with small petrol engines in larger car bodies (taxed on engine capacity). Government changed to taxing on CO2 emissions. But their formula allows PHEVs to look very good on miles per gallon so they get taxed at a low rate. They also get around the London City emission rules.
My friend has a Mitsubishi PHEV truck which has never been plugged in. They only have it for the tax benefits but do use it on battery mode in traffic like any other hybrid.
My friend has a Mitsubishi PHEV truck which has never been plugged in. They only have it for the tax benefits but do use it on battery mode in traffic like any other hybrid.
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I believe this is how you get all your news and information.
Dragons exist, it’s just common sense because I see them on tv and written about in books so much it must be true.
I’m sure there is a percentage of plug in hybrids that don’t get plugged in whether or not it’s 99% as you claim? Well I’m fairly doubtful. Not that any of this has anything to do with the subject at hand which is you can’t slap an LPG kit in an old car and expect the government to just cut your car tax based on no information on what’s actually coming out the tail pipe.
If you’re still hung up on the cost of tax well then I’ll sell you my Punto for what it would cost to fit a LPG kit it would then only cost you £30 a year tax you’d keep the boot space and you’d get an extra 20hp.
I should also point out at the time of the 100hp panda they had a thing called a Prius and it was a hybrid and you never had to plug it in and even then it was still so much more efficient than a panda that most of them paid zero road tax and they they where a bigger car with a bigger engine and more power.... so I’m not sure your argument about hybrids really holds up here. Any hybrid will still run at times without burning any fuel, no petrol LPG conversion will do that
I certainly remember reading about this on the BBC in recent years:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54170207
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46152853
I don't particularly trust the beeb for accuracy in specialist fields like this (any more than any other mainstream media agency), but they did commission an independent test on corporate fleets by The Miles Consultancy in the UK, and this claim was supported by the British Vehicle Rental and Leasing Association.
They indicate that yes, company fleet buyers were choosing PHEVs for the tax benefits, but company car drivers aren't plugging them in.
Analysis by Transport and Environment and Greenpeace are cited as supporting evidence that PHEVs offer nowhere near the claimed CO2 reductions.
I'm not at all opposed to electric technology, and I really hope it can be developed to deliver the claimed benefits. At present I feel it works best in small applications (e-bikes and motorbikes, where the batteries don't need to be big & heavy) or large applications (HGVs and trains where regenerative braking makes sense, and the weight penalty of a large battery is less relevant).
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