Technical SuperCharged Panda

[ycming]

Yeah it sounds a better clutch, you could give it a try it proberly might fit, have heard a rumor that manufacturers in order to save costs use the same components over models, so there may be a chance it my fit

The stilo flywheel, clutch all bolts onto the cinq 1.1/punto 1.2.

All FIRE series engine flywheel/clutch combination could be used

Ming

 

[HP]

Including the Diesel, which was the engine in question?

 

[euro panda]

Did anyone buy a jcr racing supercharger or has anyone used the company to supercharge there 100hp panda ?

 

[R1NGA]

No, but I have fitted a Rotrex C15/30 supercharger to a 1.2 8v 4x4. Clutch and gearbox holding up so far - about 120bhp and 115ftlbs. 0.6bar boost, but I will probably turn things down slightly before having it back as a full daily driver. Should be fully finished in the next couple of weeks. Car looks bog stock apart from an Abarth badge instead of Fiat. Superchargers are much easier on trannies than turbos, as there's no monster lump of bottom-end torque. Its fabulous!

Fitted where the A/C compressor would go, if the car had one, so looks very 'factory'!

Phil G

 

[euro panda]

cool do yu think the kit from jcr racing would hold up good with reliability and performance they say it will have 155bhp if you do it to a panda am looking for reliable proformance thats why i fancy going with a company like jcr and the kit looks well put together wat do you think ?

 

[trackdayqueen]

If you go to for it, you may want to look at an aftermarket LSD as I reckon you'll struggle to put the power down otherwise.

 

[R1NGA]

I saw this car the the Brooklands Auto Italia last year and I have to say it's a pretty 'big' installation. They use a large screw-type supercharger and it's mounted very high, so as to clear the AC compressor. As a result, it needs a bonnet cutout and fibreglass bulge to allow clearance. I'm not sue how this would translate to a Panda, but clearance would certainly be a problem.

The other issue is with the ECU, as I have mentioned before. The Panda 100HP ECU is not the same as the 99bhp 1.4 in the 500 - that one can be 'cracked', the Panda 100HP version cannot as yet. That's why I have had to use a piggyback ECU on mine, as the OEM unit is similarly complex and self-preserving.

However, the JCR guys were certainly knowledgable, the engineering well executed (although the drive belt does not look quite man enough for my liking) and their customer-facing stuff was very good. So I am sure they would have done a proper development job on it.

If my conversion turns out to be a roaring success (looking good so far), then I might investigate the options for a car with A/C and try and guage interest for a kit for the petrol Panda range. Whether somethig of this complexity could be DIY fitment though, remains to be seen.

Here's the shots I took at AI Brooklands, for info. Also one of my install, showing the smaller Rotrex nestling down the back.

Phil G

 

[euro panda]

Hey thanx for the information everyone its bin very helpfull i am going to call jcr racing and find out wat they say and see who else (panda owners think)has had one and c how reliable it is

 

[fraguzz]

the gearbox on the mjet 1,3 is an c514 model.. and it will handel alot more than 145nm.. i think that it would be to quick with 180nm so there fore they designed a bit smaller gearbox and a different gearing + not having so mutch NM they fitted a smaller 200mm(as i recall) clutch and this will not handel more than about 180nm.. an uprated will do the job..

(btw) great project with that 4x4 kompressor ;-) sleeper..!

if i had a mill. pounds i would make something like:

1ps. 100hp with rally 285mm disks.. the 1,7TBI 235hp engine with maby frontwheel drive or 4x4 ;-) and a GT30 charger on maby ;-) 300hp+

and 1ps. Mjet with 1,6Mjet with larger turbo and injectors + other things.. 200hp+

 

[robjnr]

In the fourth pic is that the panda? How the hell does the bonnet close with the filter being on top? Don't think that would be the case with the 100HP, does anyone know if the engines of the 'lesser' models sit lower than the 100HP's?

 

[lewey]

If you go to for it, you may want to look at an aftermarket LSD as I reckon you'll struggle to put the power down otherwise.

Although an LSD is a great, expensivish idea, the 500 EsseEsse copes OK with 160BHP and turbo torque, at least in a relatively straight line, so the proposed vehicle should be OK. If you aren't tracking it or going wild round corners, there is an argument to save money perhaps, regardless of the certain improvements one would make. I have a Classic Panda and an Uno with one and wouldn't track them without. Made little or no difference to my quarter mile times in my Panda, but a huge difference around circuits of course.


Look forward to this summer then; it sounds like there may be a few fast Pandas on the forum!

 

[lewey]

In the fourth pic is that the panda? How the hell does the bonnet close with the filter being on top? Don't think that would be the case with the 100HP, does anyone know if the engines of the 'lesser' models sit lower than the 100HP's?

Has a big black bonnet bulge.

 

[trackdayqueen]

Although an LSD is a great, expensivish idea, the 500 EsseEsse copes OK with 160BHP and turbo torque, at least in a relatively straight line, so the proposed vehicle should be OK. If you aren't tracking it or going wild round corners, there is an argument to save money perhaps, regardless of the certain improvements one would make. I have a Classic Panda and an Uno with one and wouldn't track them without. Made little or no difference to my quarter mile times in my Panda, but a huge difference around circuits of course.

Hasn't the 500 Abarth got one of those 'electronic' LSD's? I guess I was concerned as I think the 100hp struggles to put the power down if you are mid corner and lifts an inside front wheel under cornering which really doesn't help matters!

 

[robjnr]

Hasn't the 500 Abarth got one of those 'electronic' LSD's? I guess I was concerned as I think the 100hp struggles to put the power down if you are mid corner and lifts an inside front wheel under cornering which really doesn't help matters!

Lower the car 20mm and you will get no wheelspin mid corner as proven on track when compared to a standard 100HP

 

[robjnr]

Has a big black bonnet bulge.

I know the 500 has a bonnet bulge, but by the way ringa was saying he hasn't got a bonnet bulge on his 4x4 panda

 

[R1NGA]

I know the 500 has a bonnet bulge, but by the way ringa was saying he hasn't got a bonnet bulge on his 4x4 panda

4th picture is my Panda and yes, the bonnet shuts fine. Induction is a Pipercross Venom cold air kit and there's plenty of clearance. The 500 in the other three pictures with the monster screw-type charger needs the black plastic bulge. Point I was making is that if the same charger was fitted to a Panda 100HP, then the space issues are likely to be worse.

I don't think the 100HP engine mounts any higher in the engine bay, but there's more gumph, induction and valvage to accommodate in the same space. A Rotrex would also need to be found suitable space to fit, but it would be kinda easier than that big fella charger...

Phil

 

[lewey]

Hasn't the 500 Abarth got one of those 'electronic' LSD's? I guess I was concerned as I think the 100hp struggles to put the power down if you are mid corner and lifts an inside front wheel under cornering which really doesn't help matters!

You've driven good cars, so you probably know what I'm talking about when I say there is a massive difference between an electronically simulated differential and a mechanical LSD. An ELSD only stops the inside wheel spinning; it does not shift power from one side to the other where it might be needed. Therefore the car will not accelerate through the corner, like a real LSD allows. It is nothing more than a marketing term for a new traction control concept that in conjunction with other TC measures limits performance for a competent driver.

Might be a good thing for most people, but in the context of the power handling argument, is not a plus point for performance. I agree with robjnr that lowering the car would be a good idea for cornering traction of course.

I know the 500 has a bonnet bulge, but by the way ringa was saying he hasn't got a bonnet bulge on his 4x4 panda

I misinterpreted the pictures, I see the point now.

 

[trackdayqueen]

You've driven good cars, so you probably know what I'm talking about when I say there is a massive difference between an electronically simulated differential and a mechanical LSD. An ELSD only stops the inside wheel spinning; it does not shift power from one side to the other where it might be needed. Therefore the car will not accelerate through the corner, like a real LSD allows. It is nothing more than a marketing term for a new traction control concept that in conjunction with other TC measures limits performance for a competent driver.

Might be a good thing for most people, but in the context of the power handling argument, is not a plus point for performance. I agree with robjnr that lowering the car would be a good idea for cornering traction of course.

Yes, I've owned a number of cars with torsen and plate type LSD's. I do agree that these electronic 'LSD's' are anything but and simply cover up a lack of development by the manufacturer by not allowing the driver to put the power down. Shame really, but I guess it's cheaper to use this method than fit a decent mechanical diff.

Agreed that I think what Rob said about lowering the 100hp would help stop the annoying wheelspin on slower corners.

 

[babbo_umbro]

Must say I like the idea of a supercharged 100HP - the Volumex-equipped Lancias were great to drive, nice fat but flat (?) torque delivery. I'm also quite amused by this discussion as I was taken to task for suggesting in my assessment of the 100HP that traction is a relative weakness.

 

[jnoiles]

Stick a Quaife diff in it. Uprate the clutch. You'll be fine.