Technical Stilo JTD clutch and slave cylinder

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Technical Stilo JTD clutch and slave cylinder

chrissib

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1.9 Active JTD diesel estate

can someone give me complete 'Walkthrough' or a good workshop manual to help change my clutch and slave cylinder.

I have looked, Haynes don't cover a Stilo, and the only others are mainly in Italian.

Thanks
Chris
 
I did mine in January and there are a few posts I made when I got stuck, which will give you an idea.

Once the wheel, hub/disc and caliper are out of the way (I tied the hub/disc and caliper to the damper spring) it's basically a case of removing the lower wheel arch liner, then the airbox... and the pipes to the inlet manifold. This gives you access to the gearbox itself.

Drain the gear oil. There's an Allen headed drain bolt near the bottom of the box (but facing the wheel/your face .. not "under" the gearbox itself).

You'll find it easier to undo the gearbox mounts if the battery is completely out of the way (and the battery support tray) but I dunno if anyone ever managed to do the job with these in place.

Without the battery tray it's simple to remove the gear cables (back of the box) and undo the gearbox support mount. Again, I dunno the best technique but I removed the big nyloc nut and then also unbolted the inner wing bracket from the inner wing (2 bolts)... and also the bolts holding the gearbox mount to the gearbox (3 bolts).

These last two operations were just to make the box easier to extract. The nyloc nut is the one that holds the gearbox to the inner wing bracket). The gearbox mount could possibly come out with the box.

You'll need to support the gearbox when you get this far/removal of the nyloc nut... so do this last.

Before that, I also undid all the bell-housing bolts and nuts. They're variously 18 or 19mm.. and from memory there are about 10 of them. The gearbox won't move with all these undone, so you can take all these out and not worry about anything falling off.

You need to unplug the hydraulics.. Lift the "U" clipand just pull the tube out of the plastic stub (the stub is part of the CSC). I used a brake line clamp on the pipe first (to stop all the fluid leaking out... but with a bit of thick paper to prevent the clamp cutting the rubber. My clamp is a bit "sharp".

There are a couple of electrical cables and brackets attached to the gearbox.. but you can unclip/unscrew these as you see them.

The gearbox essentially pulls out (3" or so to clear the studs) then you have to rotate it forward so you can pull it out further to clear the drive shaft. If you have the car 3 feet in the air and have a gearbox support it's probably not tooooo tricky. If the gearbox is balanced on a trolley jack and the car is just "jacked up" then there's little room and you will swear a lot.. :D

The CSC is only held on by 3 x M6 bolts. Take the old one off, put the new one on with the stub poking through hole in the casing for the hydraulics. It's dead simple/obvious when you get that far.

The clutch (which you should change if it's remotely worn) is a regular 12 (?) M6 bolted to the flywheel.

Refitting is the opposite of dismantling. The gear oil filler is a hex/"drain key" type bolt on top of the gearbox - identical to the drain bolt (tighten that one up first).

Getting the gearbox on needs a burly mate (I used the lad next door) or some means to lift it off the ground.. hook the drive-shaft on and then rotate it round and push it onto the studs. It's heavy rather than "difficult".

It took me 3 weekends.. :D though I was changing any manky bolts and cleaning things up, replacing clips and brackets etc. as I went (e.g. it's a good time to remove/clean the EGR valve)... and I needed the burly lad next door to provide some "beef"... But if you take the time to see what has to come off, it's almost self-evident what you need to do.


Ralf S.
 
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Thanks for the info, I'll print it off and use it as the instructions.
Can you just confirm the drivers side drive shaft does or does not have to come out. (makes a difference where I position the car)
thanks again
Chris
 
Yes. The driver's side is completely unaffected. I took the o/s wheel off and was halfway through dismantling the driveshaft before I worked out that I didn't need to touch it. Luckily I paused when I got to a bracket that didn't want to unbolt... :D

The nearside driveshaft comes out. I remember I left the "outer" end still connected to the hub/disk and the track rod still connected too... I just stuffed some rags in the CV boot to keep the grit out and then put a small bin liner bag over everything to stop it getting wet/gritty since it was January and I was only working on it over different weekends.

The brake disc/shaft neatly fits behind the wishbone arm (which was left in place... it's not in the way... though the sub-frame "knuckle" it attaches to does get in the way later.

Caliper can be tied to the spring. The damper can dangle (once you have disconnected it from the hub).

The half shaft stays attached to the motore. When you pop the gearbox off you have to pull it out enough for the bell housing to clear the clutch (it'll be fouling the sub-frame knuckle, so it's a bit tight) then jiggle/rotate it forward to get it under the bumper/clutter then pull it out some more to clear the half-shaft.

If it didn't weigh 40 kilo's it's not that bad.. :D Luckily it tends to fall out.. get wedged somewhere and then you have to somehow drag the beast out.

You can jack the car up more just to give you clearance to get the box out from under it. I put a few sheets of cardboard on the ground so that the box has a soft landing when you eventually/inevitably drop it onto the ground .. then used the cardboard to drag it out, like a sledge.

You need burly mates.. but getting the box out could be a one-man job.


Ralf S.
 

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thanks so much for the detailed information....bit worried about the drive shafts though. I have partly started removing stuff but the first problem is I haven't got a 36mm socket to fit the hub nut. In your instructions you say you left the driveshaft still connected to the hub. How does the other end (gearbox end) come out?
Also, as I am not removing the offside driveshaft, will I be pulling the gearbox away from the shaft?
And when I am ready to put the shafts back in, I assume I will have to position the gearbox over the splines of the offside driveshaft. Is this correct, and how will I know when they are far enough in?
Sorry to be a pain.
Chris
 
I have partly started removing stuff but the first problem is I haven't got a 36mm socket to fit the hub nut. In your instructions you say you left the driveshaft still connected to the hub. How does the other end (gearbox end) come out?

It just pulls out complete with the CV joint. You may need to apply slight leverage between CV joint and the gearbox.

Also, as I am not removing the offside driveshaft, will I be pulling the gearbox away from the shaft?
Chris

Yes

And when I am ready to put the shafts back in, I assume I will have to position the gearbox over the splines of the offside driveshaft. Is this correct

Yes

how will I know when they are far enough in?

Once you've aligned the gearbox shaft with the splines in the clutch, and aligned the CV joint with the splines in the differential, they will be far enough in when the gearbox bell housing mates with the engine block. You will probably need to rotate the flywheel and the driveshaft slightly for the two sets of splines to engage.
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thanks for the info, I am having considerable problems undoing the rear bell housing bolts, am I missing something, they seem to be impossible to get to
 
There are only 2 x 17mm bolts and 2 x 17mm studs that hold the gearbox to the engine. What trouble are you having with which one?

Assume you've already removed the starter motor (3 x 13mm bolts) and semi circular plate (2 x 8mm bolts) at the bottom of the bell housing?
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ok the bell housing is off, and the slave cylinder changed. I looked at the clutch plate thickness and is about 6mm, is that good or bad.
Also, there is a slight knick on one of the drive shaft seals on the plastic part, do you think I should change these?
 
I looked at the clutch plate thickness and is about 6mm, is that good or bad.

If you're fitting the correct new clutch, then the thickness of the plate will be correct.

Also, there is a slight knick on one of the drive shaft seals on the plastic part, do you think I should change these?

Always a good idea to replace the seals while the gearbox is out. If they start to leak later, you would have to take the driveshafts out to replace the seals.
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ok trying to put everything back now, but even though I have used a clutch plate alignment tool, I cant get the bell housing to close up.
There is plenty of movement on the drive shaft so I don't think this is stopping it, and I have turned the flywheel slightly to move the splines round a bit, but I still only get it about an inch apart.
I have the gearbox/bell housing supported on a chain from an engine hoist, and have tried adjusting up and down, but nothing seems to work.
Can anyone suggest anything please.
Chris
 
Can often be frustrating trying to get a gearbox back in. If you're sure you aligned the clutch disc correctly, all you can do is rotate the flywheel and/or driveshaft by very small amounts while pushing the gearbox in.
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.......is it possible I am fighting against the bellows of the new slave cylinder. It does say don't press the bellows in by hand, and the clutch plate does feel as if it's in.
Can anyone confirm the clutch plate flatter side goes against the flywheel, cant find any useful diagrams
 
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.......is it possible I am fighting against the bellows of the new slave cylinder. It does say don't press the bellows in by hand.

No.... it says don't press the cylinder bellows in before fitting and bleeding the system. It's because the cylinder is dry before bleeding.

Make sure the bell housing is parallel to the face of the engine block while pushing the gearbox in. If it's not, the input shaft will be at an angle, and could miss the clutch disc splines.

I had 2 long 17mm bolts, loosely fitted it the top bell housing/engine holes when I did mine.
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ok its in!
can anyone help me with the torque settings for the bell housing bolts and any others, like starter motor, bell housing supports etc...
I have looked on the forum and surprisingly not found any info on this
 
you were right, just kept going....... and enlisted the help of my 6 foot 4 inch superhuman son-in-law to push, while I turned the flywheel cogs
 
Almost ready to go, but I cant find any information on where the fill plug is for the gearbox. There appears to be one on top of the gearbox but normally they would be on the side so that it would seep out when the level was reached.
Also I assume the presence of bleed nipple on the tube running to new slave cylinder means this has to be bled.
 
so now I'm worried...
I have put everything back, but the peddle has no resistance, it stays down. I googled a post from 'Davren' which said bout bleeding, and have done this but has made no difference. I do get fluid out of the end of the pipe.
Thinking logically, I assume that the slave cylinder has to be compressed when the bell housing is in it's rightful position, otherwise the thrust bearing would already be out, so I guess there is no force to push the bellows out and fill up with fluid. Am I on the right track?
Pease can someone put my mind at rest and suggest something.... I don't want to have to take the gearbox off again.
Chris
 
Almost ready to go, but I cant find any information on where the fill plug is for the gearbox. There appears to be one on top of the gearbox but normally they would be on the side so that it would seep out when the level was reached.

If the gearbox is completely empty, you can fill it with the exact quantity of oil (see handbook) through the filler plug on top of the gearbox.

Alternatively, you can fill it by the level plug on the end of the gearbox. The car needs to be on its wheels on level ground for this method.

It needs synthetic gear oil. Fiat specify ZC80, which I think has been replaced by Matrix.

I have put everything back, but the peddle has no resistance, it stays down.

How are you bleeding it?
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