Spoil the VoTe - NOTA "None Of The Above"

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Spoil the VoTe - NOTA "None Of The Above"

You're confusing the two.

I'm talking about Illegal immigration. I have no problems with immigration whatsoever, I've not even implied otherwise.

As I've said previously, fact enough is the masses of people waiting to enter this country from Calais, ILLEGALLY.

The issue here is the terminology, it seems. Everything I've been critical of in my brief time in this thread has been based around illegal immigration.

Ok, so the issue is Illegal Immigration. By this you mean people who hide in a lorry, cross the channel and go immediately into the underground, completely bypassing the whole Asylum/Investigation/Acceptance/Deported series of events. So in the context of this discussion are saying that this is "The Immigration Problem" we hear so much of?
 
Ok, so the issue is Illegal Immigration. By this you mean people who hide in a lorry, cross the channel and go immediately into the underground, completely bypassing the whole Asylum/Investigation/Acceptance/Deported series of events. So in the context of this discussion are saying that this is "The Immigration Problem" we hear so much of?
Illegal immigration is a problem everywhere. But it's one to which the only solution can be better policing of the border. You're NEVER going to stop people coming into your country especially when you have the tunnel and all the ferries carrying lorries over. All you can do is police the border as best you can and hope you catch as many people as possible. Australia spends a packet on stopping boat people but they don't get 100% of them.
 
The right of every person in the country is to vote for a party of their own choosing. You may not agree with their policies, but saying that all UKIP and all BNP members are racists is like saying all conservatives tuck their shirts into their pants (a la John Major)

Try to avoid tarring all people with one brush, as that is exactly what racism and bigotry are:
'A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices'


where did i say "all UKIP and all BNP members are racists" ?
 
I have claimed benefits and dont feel bad about it in the least as the money I have paid in taxes etc is way way way way above the megre amount I have claimed.

I took the wife out for dinner last weekend....I waited in the car while she nipped in the shop for the chips;)
 
i thought about dissapearing for a while, and catching a train back to uk in few months, not speaking english, but claiming human rights and persecution with what english i can speak. id never have to work again.
did anyone read today daily mail about the family benefiting 20 000? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hildren-video-games--pay-huge-booze-bill.html, why should anyone bother working? lets just stay at home on the xbox and drink all day lmao.
 
On a sorta related note, My friend just crashed into the back of a Polish driver on a roundabout. He set off then stopped dead for no reason.

He was driving without a license, insurance, tax or MOT and it turned out he had removed his brake lights (My friend then called the police as it was a bit fishy). According to the police they do this so other drivers crash into the back of them so they can claim ££££'s in compensation. He also said its on the rise and becomming quite common (at least in the Durham Constabulary area).

Is it too much to ask that Fellow members of the EU in our country follow our laws? :(.
 
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Back to the general election...
There were three elegible to vote in my household.
We each got our card in the post and each card had a unique number above the name, address etc.
So we had AAL 0000, AAL 0001 and AAL 0002. (for exzample)
As we went in, we went to the table that was dealing with our road, showed them our voting card and we were each given a voting slip.
In front of one of the officials was a long sheet of paper with numbers printed on, our unique number was written against these numbers in turn as we were given a voting slip - I later noticed that my voting slip had a number on the back which corresponded to the number on the sheet of paper against which my unique number was written.

So, when the counting is done & somebody wants to know who wrote "these candidates are a bunch of ..." all over their slip - they only have to look at the number on the back of the slip and then look at their sheets to see which unique number was written against it - which corresponds with 1 voter.

So much for the ballot being a secret !


Of course, there is then an argument that "they have always done this" but one then wonders if this information could be used in a negative way?
 
At the tables, they have a list of names and addresses along with the unique voter number so without the card, they can look down the names, confirm your address and then your number is given to the person who hands out the raffle tickets - sorry, voting slips.
 
At the tables, they have a list of names and addresses along with the unique voter number so without the card, they can look down the names, confirm your address and then your number is given to the person who hands out the raffle tickets - sorry, voting slips.

yeah but anyone who has my name and address could do that. if some one told people they wasnt voting some one else could go use their vote :eek:
 
yeah but anyone who has my name and address could do that. if some one told people they wasnt voting some one else could go use their vote :eek:

Yeah, I know.
But that's not the point I was making.
But a scary thought.
It might also explain why one particular party always gets the seat in a village - if 20% of the village CBA and the 'officials' are all a bit dodgy, they could simply mark the final 20% as attending, write their numbers against voting slips and then put their cross against their mate.
Not saying it does - but there is the potential for a bit of dodgy goings on.
 
the only worry with that is thats how niche partys get seats
happened in Germany with a nazi party through a combination of this and voter apathy
We already have the likes of the BNP making very small inroads. This has come about because the established parties, mainly Labour and the Lib Dems have ignored the concerns of the electorate. In Manchester we have 1st and 2nd generation immigrants from Moss Side and Longsight trying to move out of the areas they have lived in and the reason they have given is the influx of immigrants. I've heard that from the horse's mouth. People have voted for the BNP, and therefore we now have their odious presence, not because British people want BNP Councillors and MEPs, but because they have not been listened to by the Parties they have traditionally voted for. As for any comparison with the Weimar Republic and the rise of the Nazis, I'm sorry, but the comparison is ludicrous. The lack of a 1000% + inflation rate for one. The lack of the loss of a World War 15 years earlier for another and the lack of paramilitary groups on the streets of Britain for a third. We are also a lot more educated and generally more sophisticated than was the case 77 years earlier.

Are you for real??? Voting BNP is better than spoiling your vote ?
Both BNP and UKIP have funded each others campaign and are clearly racist parties.I would much rather ppl spoil their vote than encourage racist parties.
I would rather live in a country of asylum seekers and immigrants that racists.
So far I have not met one person who thinks this level of unchecked immigration is a good thing. North West Ambulance Service recently had to take a Polish man home to Chester from Manchester in a Paramedic Ambulance because he didn't have any money and couldn't speak English. The reason an Ambulance was called in the first place is that the man had a cut hand that needed re-dressing and he lived in Chester. Immigrants who have been told that if they need help, to just dial 999 by overworked immigration support workers who don't have the language skills and the time to explain properly to these people is one of the rasons behind that little fiasco. The fear of being sued and and having to explain themselves to the Coroner is another. So when you are bleeding to death waiting for that Ambulance to arrive after being run over or stabbed in the street remember that little gem. Another immigrant recently made a complaint against a Police Officer, backed by a Solicitor, I hasten to add, because the Cop in question wouldn't climb a ladder to let the said person into the house she'd locked herself out of.

If you're asking me do I think the presence of the BNP in our electoral system is a good thing, then my answer would be a resounding NO! I have voted tonight and have not voted for the BNP, despite the fact that they were represented on the ballot paper for both the local Council and Westminster. But, the mere fact that they have gained any seats in the past is, to me, indicative that concerns over immigration have not been adressed by the Government.

Not voting for a party will not focus their attention one iota. Voting for a different one will.
better than the cons getting in they put the county in the crap its in today, if they hadn't sold off all we had and closed down all our industry, not only would we have been better off in the last recession but also we would have had money to keep us going in this one.

this recession we are in now cant all be blamed on labour as its a world recession.

dont waste your vote
Mmm, let's just think about the last couple of years shall we? MG Rover. LDV Vans. Corus Redcar. All out of business. The Tories, for all their faults, moved heaven and earth to find buyers for Austin Rover/BL, call it what you will, with them being sold to British Aerospace and then BMW, yet it was under this Government that they went out of business. LDV went to a Russian company, and despite asking for help, went out of business. Despite British Steel being privatised by the Tories in 1988, it was in 1999 that Corus Steel was formed, two years after Labour came to power in 1997, with the merger of British Steel and the Dutch firm Koninklijke Hoogovens N.V. British Steel comprised 66% of the new group. It was taken over by Tata, an Indian company, in 2007 for $12.4bn. Tata raised over half the cost of this, $6.17bn, through a new subsidiary of Corus called Tata Steel UK. This effectively put over half of the cost of this takeover on Corus, not Tata. This meant that if the business succeeded, Tata would benefit. If not, Corus would suffer. The trams on the streets of Greater Manchester are from Italy and Austria, not Britain. The Metropolitan Police use BMW 3 and 5 Series cars, not Jaguars. The Ministry of Defence has announced the awarding of a contract for light armoured vehicles, not to Alvis, the British company that supplied them for the last 30 plus years, but General Dynamics, an American company. As industry in this country has declined, the public sector has grown alarmingly. When my Mother was the Head of a Primary School in the '70s and '80s; at the time of her retirement the school had won numerous awards and had a waiting list. In fact it was one of the few schools in the North West at the time that had a waiting list, yet she only had one Teaching Assistant. Now, virtually every class has one. Yet, where I work, we have been undergoing training to act as numeracy and literacy mentors because the kids in local schools have difficulty managing basic skills. In England and Wales, 19% of the working population are employed by the "State", whereas in Scotland it's 23%. No matter who gets in, this country cannot survive without savage cuts. If you want to know the alternative; look at Greece, then Portugal, Spain and Ireland. Therein lies the future. As both Mrs. Beard and I work in the public sector by voting Tory we could be putting ourselves out of work, but we both happen to think that things can't carry on like this.
 
Well we now have a hung parliament - not necessarily a bad thing as it will stop one party being able to rush through bad legislation.
About time we got proportional representation though.
At the current count (numbers approx) Labour have just 6% more votes than Liberal Democrats, yet Labour have 5 times more seats!
 
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