General Smoking 1.9TD

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General Smoking 1.9TD

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My 1.9 TDi Ulysse is smoking alot at the mo too 110000 mles. Clouds of blue smoke when cold - accelerating or not. Once warmed up properly and going along without stopping not too bad, but as sson as I have to stop at traffic lights or junctions, acceleration (only very mildly) away again and cloud of blue smoke. I know there is always a lttle bit of smoke from all diesels when they accelerate away but this leaves cars behind wandering where the hell they are. Don't really know what the answer to the "Why is Goerge smoking" anybody know? There must have been alot of private Q and A s going on I guess.
 
Re: why is george smoking lots??

"George" is a non-turbo 2.0 petrol. He was smoking (I think) due to some pipes being re-connected wrong, which wont be the issue with yours!

I`m no diesel expert, usually smokey TD`s are down to knackered turbo seals or head gaskets, but you`d be better off asking here: https://www.fiatforum.com/ulysse/ (y)


My 1.9 TDi Ulysse is smoking alot at the mo too 110000 mles. Clouds of blue smoke when cold - accelerating or not. Once warmed up properly and going along without stopping not too bad, but as sson as I have to stop at traffic lights or junctions, acceleration (only very mildly) away again and cloud of blue smoke. I know there is always a lttle bit of smoke from all diesels when they accelerate away but this leaves cars behind wandering where the hell they are. Don't really know what the answer to the "Why is Goerge smoking" anybody know? There must have been alot of private Q and A s going on I guess.
 
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We had a tempra with the same engine that was puffing black smoke, due to a split oil bearing seal.

I think Blue smoke is generally a sign of water mixing with the fuel in the chamber/exhaust. Does the car ever over heat? Shame your not in the UK as i have a load of manuals and service parts to shift for this engine
 
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My 1.9 TDi Ulysse is smoking alot at the mo too 110000 mles. Clouds of blue smoke when cold - accelerating or not. Once warmed up properly and going along without stopping not too bad, but as sson as I have to stop at traffic lights or junctions, acceleration (only very mildly) away again and cloud of blue smoke. I know there is always a lttle bit of smoke from all diesels when they accelerate away but this leaves cars behind wandering where the hell they are. Don't really know what the answer to the "Why is Goerge smoking" anybody know? There must have been alot of private Q and A s going on I guess.

Is the car low on power? Such as hardly any pull from below 2,000RPM then a whoosh of power with smoke? Maybe slightly worse economy?

I'd check the EGR & the MAF sensor. EGR known to soot up causing the symptoms I mentioned, MAF sensor does similar...

Try a Search on this site for EGR and you will see what I'm on about, where the EGR is & what various people have done.
 
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Is the car low on power? Such as hardly any pull from below 2,000RPM then a whoosh of power with smoke? Maybe slightly worse economy?

I'd check the EGR & the MAF sensor. EGR known to soot up causing the symptoms I mentioned, MAF sensor does similar...

Try a Search on this site for EGR and you will see what I'm on about, where the EGR is & what various people have done.

Doubt these engines have an EGR. these were the ancestors of the JTD engines
 
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Did I mention that I had changed three glow plugs prior to all this happening. Well I did and I had a sneaky feeling that I must have disturbed something. The garage didn't spot anything and suggested that it was probably the fuel pump....these are over a grand new for this car...not what I wanted to hear, so I ignored this and when I called out a mobile mechanic for my ladies car I asked him to have a quick look. Water was spitting out the top through the pressure filler cap which he said was a sure sign of head gasket gone. We bunged some K seal (think that's the name) in and I ran it for a half hour at a time engine getting plenty warm enough hoping and praying it would bung up any gasket holes. Smoking still didn't get any better so started asking a few people about the cost of headgasket replacement...not shock £500 or there abouts. Decided to take it to a garage where brother-in-law knew the owner (at least I prob wouldn't get ripped off there). Very knowledgable eastern European was sent out to examine. Really knew what he was up to. Dicovered the air pipe to the turbo charger was loose (I hadn't tightened it up properly after removing it to get at the glow plugs). When you accelerated the pipe blew appart an it was really obvious bubt just sitting idling it seemed to be in the right place and not a suspect fault. Tried to slip this guy some money as I guess the owner would have just said no problem (as a friend of a friend) eventually forced him to take a fiver - thinking he would pocket it but as soon as he walked into the garage he handed it to the boss! I love eastern Europeans - great meachanics - very honest. Back to just a bit of blue smoke on acceleration now...just an ageing turbo prob. Very happy. Will now last another year or two - fingers crossed. Guess I'm one of the lucky (and stupid - I knew this pipe needed tightening up but didn't realise the turbo air intake had to be governed in some way and and to me an air leak at this point seemed an unlikely possiblility) ones. I'll let you know if the K - Seal has stopped the water going down so fast!
 
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Does this make a difference? Am I in the wrong forum therefore? Anyhow I'll stay here for now. Water leak seems to have stopped...haven't needed any water since k-seal added. Brill. However changing the glow plugs seems to have had no effect on the starting. It won't start when the engine is cold without Quick Start spray. Relay sems to be coming on but I guess 1. Doesn't necessarily mean that the output voltage (which I can read on my multimeter) is getting all the way to the glow plugs 2. There is the right amount of current. 3. It is going there for long enough...how long is long enough?
One of the glow plugs I couldn't get to when changing them.
Having same guy check it out on Wed coming.
Have read here somewhere that changing all glow plugs and relay doesn't necessarily cure this starting problem.
Any more ideas would be useful
Thanks
Tony
 
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Sorted starting problem before I got to the garage!!! Well despite what many say in older machines like mine where the compression in the cylinders is probably not so good any more, having all your glow plugs working is absolutely necessary.
I managed to get to the last glow plug and removed the lead and tested the relay with a light bulb and some bits of wire. The bulb stayed on for a few seconds after the dash light went out. Excellent. Tested the plug with an ohm (resistance) meter. There was no conduction at all between the inner contact and the outer (or block). Amazing that with just a touch of a spanner the plug became finger tight (might have been because the engine was still hot) and I unscrewed and replaced it very easily. I was shocked it was so easy. Next morning it was below zero... it started with about 3 second turnover. Amazing. I have some photos of my doings if anyone is interested. Cheers. Very happy.
Tony
 
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This is just a quick update since the Ulysse stopped starting again about two weeks later. Needed quick start spray again first thing in the morning - even if the temp outside was quite warm (7 deg +). Exactly as it was when not all the glow plugs were working! I had no doubt that this was again the problem. I also knew that one plug was not new still. When I originally started the replacement job I only bought two, as I didn't know then if I could get to any of the plugs. As it happens I managed to get to the first three and one of them tested OK (2 ohm resistance). I suspected that this one, which I put back in, may now have gone like all the others. I quickly bought another new plug and replaced the old regardless of how it's resistance might be now.
Still wouldn't start! Fortunately (stubbornly) I was still convinced that the problem was in the plugs. Having just scrubbed my hands I had to get down to it again. Whipped the wires off the first three again and tested them all for resistance whilst they were still in the engine. Would you believe - the first new one I put in, was registering about 200 ohm. I was chuffed and amazed - there was still a glimmer of hope that I was right. I took it out and because I hadn't bought a replacement yet, I put the old working? plug (2 ohm resistance still) into this spot instead. Hey presto all 'sound as a pound' (guess we can't say that any more). It started immediately. The moral I suppose is to test new things, if possible, before incorporating them, as I guess that this new plug may have shown up as having unusually high resistance to start with.
Oh yea - water going down now - again. Pigs. Like having a blumin baby to look after. Hoping the K seal, still in the water, will re-do the job. Fingers crossed...as always!!
 
It's been a while. Unfortunatly I have to report that the engine was eventually discovered to have a cracked head. Which on a P reg meant a scrap job. Sad to see it go but it was a continuous source of stress. I guess the 80 thousand that was on the clock was more like 180000 and I was done over. Didn't expect a cracked head at under 120000 on a diesel. Stickin to the kawasaki zzr 600 for a while...not let me down in 6 years so far! Better luck to anyone readin this. Will get a car with a proper manual next time. Haynes!
O and O. Tony
 
Bad luck mate. Always sad to see another Uly down the pan. I'm surprised at the engine having cracked! One of the best engines around. One taxi driver has done over 500 000 miles in his Uly. Others drive on vegetable oil with no modifications (like me!)
So even at 180k, ???
Maybe someone before you didn't look after it (servicing etc) and probably did some serious towing in it!
 
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