Technical Selenia WR Forward 0W-30 ACEA C2 9.55535-S1

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Good afternoon. I'm trying to purchase oil for my 2017 Ducato, the book tells me to use Selenia WR Forward 0W-30, ACEA C2, Fiat 9.55535-S1

I cannot find anywhere to buy it from, have been searching online for hours. Lots of very close alternatives, 5W-30 9.55535-S1 and lots of 0W-30 9.55535-DS1 and similar.

When it put my reg number into the likes of EuroCarParts etc, their recommendations are a different spec. I want it to be exactly right.

Can anyone point me in the direction of a retailer that stocks the correct oil please? Am I missing something? It shouldn't be that difficult to find should it?

Thanks in advance, would really appreciate some help

Ben
 
Model
X290
Year
2017
Mileage
26000
Good afternoon. I'm trying to purchase oil for my 2017 Ducato, the book tells me to use Selenia WR Forward 0W-30, ACEA C2, Fiat 9.55535-S1

I cannot find anywhere to buy it from, have been searching online for hours. Lots of very close alternatives, 5W-30 9.55535-S1 and lots of 0W-30 9.55535-DS1 and similar.

When it put my reg number into the likes of EuroCarParts etc, their recommendations are a different spec. I want it to be exactly right.

Can anyone point me in the direction of a retailer that stocks the correct oil please? Am I missing something? It shouldn't be that difficult to find should it?

Thanks in advance, would really appreciate some help

Ben
I've bought selenia oil from Shop4parts for the petrol engines. They are a specialist in Fiat parts so might be able to help. They are very helpful, I'd give them a ring. https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/ Also I've seen selenia oils on the shelf at Halfords.
 
Really you can use any w30 C2 or C2+S1 like Motul 5w30 Specific S1.
Aye, in fact my feelings towards using the Selenia in the petrol engines is rather ambivalent. For many years I've run "the family fleet" on Fuchs oils with excellent results. So I'd be leaning towards a Fuchs product myself. The only exception I'd make would be for the twin air/multi air hydraulically actuated valve engines. I've read so much about how "picky" they are with what oil you use that I'd be only using the oil actually specified by Fiat. On the other hand the thought of owning one frightens me far too much so it's a choice I'll never have to make.
 
FIAT 9.55535-DS1/GS1
Fuchs TITAN GT1 PRO 2312 0W-30 Engine Oil
I've used this on my 2017 Ducato for all my home replacements.
I use this because
1 Its the correct spec
2 I have personnal experiance of working with the Development team at Derby as a new customer looking for new product development.
 
FIAT 9.55535-DS1/GS1
Fuchs TITAN GT1 PRO 2312 0W-30 Engine Oil
I've used this on my 2017 Ducato for all my home replacements.
I use this because
1 Its the correct spec
2 I have personnal experiance of working with the Development team at Derby as a new customer looking for new product development.
That's nice to see an endorsement from someone with more than a passing interest in the product.

Up until my 1.9tdi VE Cordoba Vario died - from terminal body rot and increasing difficulty getting some parts (I'd run her for 21 years) - I'd run "the family fleet" on whatever good quality, spec compliant mostly, lubricant I could get at a good price. During searches for product I came across the Fuchs brand and bought it when it was attractively priced - often from Opie or Powerenhancer. What especially made me concentrate on engine lubricant was when my oldest boy bought a 1.9tdi PD Fabia. The PD engine had been around for a while at that time and several people I know at my local VAG specialist independent workshops were all telling me what a good engine it was but that it was very critical of it's oil due to the cam lobes being quite narrow and prone to wear if the specific oil was not used. (they also told me of the injector loom problem which his car actually suffered later in it's life and which I found quite easy to sort being pre-warned). Anyway, at that time the VAG recommended oil was a Castrol product - which was very good but seldom discounted anywhere. Not many other companies were making suitable product at that time but one I did find was Fuchs. Having been prewarned about the camshaft problems I was very nervous about using anything other than the Castrol product so I dropped an email to Fuchs and was quite surprised to get a very detailed and informative reply. As a direct result I started using their stuff and had no problems.

When The Cordoba "died" back in 2016 - rip my good friend - I bought the Ibiza which has the wee, highly stressed in my opinion, 3 cylinder turbo EA211 engine. during her warranty period she was serviced by the dealer but when that expired I took that over myself and was even more worried about lubrication than I had been with the PD. I'd also become aware that Fuchs were now an original fill supplier to VAG - or so I think? - and that they had replaced Castrol as supplier of their Quantum range of oils - which I sometimes bought through TPS and had never had problems with. So I dropped quite a lengthy email to Fuchs regarding their recommendation for the Ibiza's engine and again got a very comprehensive and interesting reply. Shortly after that a number of other questions came into my mind so I actually rang them and, to my astonishment, was put through to one of their technical staff. We had an absolutely fascinating conversation during which he recommended one particular product to me and I ran the Ibiza exclusively on that until I part exchanged her 8 years later for the Scala. The engine was "as sweet as a nut" when I sold her.

Got about another 18 months until the warranty is up on the Scala and it goes without saying that I'll be running her on the relevant Fuchs product after that - which I note is an even lower viscosity product than the one the Ibiza ran on even though they are both EA211 family engines!

For those who might be interested here's a couple of links to Fuchs:


And this one regarding their becoming the supplier of the Quantum brand to TPS:


Although I do tend to always buy the Fuchs products for my own vehicles I don't do so exclusively for the other older family cars. I'm very happy running the more mundane and less stressed engines - Honda Jazz, Mazda2, etc on other manufacturer's product. I even use the NAPA oils supplied by our local factor which I believe to be supplied by Valvoline but might be Exol - still looking into that one - but these are non turbo units which stress their oils much less. Valvoline is a name we'll all recognise? but Exol maybe less so? So here's a link for anyone who might be interested:

 
Goood afternoon. I'm trying to purchase oil for my 2017 Ducato, the book tells me to use Selenia WR Forward 0W-30, ACEA C2, Fiat 9.55535-S1
Are you sure you're not misreading the manual? (otherwise I suspect a misprint).

AFAIK Selenia WR Forward exists only in 0W-20 and 0W-30 forms to Fiat spec 9.55535-DS1

My contemporaneous 2.3 (diesel) Ducato was specified for the 0W-30 version of this.

I used it for initial oil changes, then switched to the Fuchs Titan Pro mentioned above.
 
I've bought selenia oil from Shop4parts for the petrol engines. They are a specialist in Fiat parts so might be able to help. They are very helpful, I'd give them a ring. https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/ Also I've seen selenia oils on the shelf at Halfords.

Are you sure you're not misreading the manual? (otherwise I suspect a misprint).

AFAIK Selenia WR Forward exists only in 0W-20 and 0W-30 forms to Fiat spec 9.55535-DS1

My contemporaneous 2.3 (diesel) Ducato was specified for the 0W-30 version of this.

I used it for initial oil changes, then switched to the Fuchs Titan Pro mentioned above.
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Hi, here’s the entry in my manual
 
I can find that version of the manual online. It is undoubtedly a misprint (the contractual reference shown is for the DS1 version).

The factory prescribed oil should be Selenia WR Forward SAE 0W-30 ACEA C2 9.55535-DS1

Whilst not widely available, it can be bought online (Shop4Parts were doing the rather rare 5lt containers last time I looked).

If out of warranty, I'd be inclined to use a considerably cheaper, well reviewed "meets the requirements of" alternative such as the Fuchs TITAN GT1 PRO 2312 0W-30 (and I have).
 
That's nice to see an endorsement from someone with more than a passing interest in the product.

Up until my 1.9tdi VE Cordoba Vario died - from terminal body rot and increasing difficulty getting some parts (I'd run her for 21 years) - I'd run "the family fleet" on whatever good quality, spec compliant mostly, lubricant I could get at a good price. During searches for product I came across the Fuchs brand and bought it when it was attractively priced - often from Opie or Powerenhancer. What especially made me concentrate on engine lubricant was when my oldest boy bought a 1.9tdi PD Fabia. The PD engine had been around for a while at that time and several people I know at my local VAG specialist independent workshops were all telling me what a good engine it was but that it was very critical of it's oil due to the cam lobes being quite narrow and prone to wear if the specific oil was not used. (they also told me of the injector loom problem which his car actually suffered later in it's life and which I found quite easy to sort being pre-warned). Anyway, at that time the VAG recommended oil was a Castrol product - which was very good but seldom discounted anywhere. Not many other companies were making suitable product at that time but one I did find was Fuchs. Having been prewarned about the camshaft problems I was very nervous about using anything other than the Castrol product so I dropped an email to Fuchs and was quite surprised to get a very detailed and informative reply. As a direct result I started using their stuff and had no problems.

When The Cordoba "died" back in 2016 - rip my good friend - I bought the Ibiza which has the wee, highly stressed in my opinion, 3 cylinder turbo EA211 engine. during her warranty period she was serviced by the dealer but when that expired I took that over myself and was even more worried about lubrication than I had been with the PD. I'd also become aware that Fuchs were now an original fill supplier to VAG - or so I think? - and that they had replaced Castrol as supplier of their Quantum range of oils - which I sometimes bought through TPS and had never had problems with. So I dropped quite a lengthy email to Fuchs regarding their recommendation for the Ibiza's engine and again got a very comprehensive and interesting reply. Shortly after that a number of other questions came into my mind so I actually rang them and, to my astonishment, was put through to one of their technical staff. We had an absolutely fascinating conversation during which he recommended one particular product to me and I ran the Ibiza exclusively on that until I part exchanged her 8 years later for the Scala. The engine was "as sweet as a nut" when I sold her.

Got about another 18 months until the warranty is up on the Scala and it goes without saying that I'll be running her on the relevant Fuchs product after that - which I note is an even lower viscosity product than the one the Ibiza ran on even though they are both EA211 family engines!

For those who might be interested here's a couple of links to Fuchs:


And this one regarding their becoming the supplier of the Quantum brand to TPS:


Although I do tend to always buy the Fuchs products for my own vehicles I don't do so exclusively for the other older family cars. I'm very happy running the more mundane and less stressed engines - Honda Jazz, Mazda2, etc on other manufacturer's product. I even use the NAPA oils supplied by our local factor which I believe to be supplied by Valvoline but might be Exol - still looking into that one - but these are non turbo units which stress their oils much less. Valvoline is a name we'll all recognise? but Exol maybe less so? So here's a link for anyone who might be interested:

Odd that, as you say, little known and I have never heard of Exol.
I am a bit suspicious that they recomment the same oil for the TA engine that is put in HDi engines. That seems a lttle to general to me for the application and its a diesel type oil. I think I am going to pre buy Selenia for the next 3 years or so as I am waiting for it to be no longer available. Up until my TAs I have always just used a well known make of oil in the correct grade, or in most vehicles for the last 40 years, Mobil 1. I never had any issues or concerns and no smoke r engine failures. I do feel that the oil which was developed for/ with the TA valve gear specifically in mind, which has to do things other oils dont, and on the basis that its additive package may be more important, I will stick with it for now. And thats from one who does NOT like Selenia oils. The stuff I bought for our 1.2 engines was really appalling. I am relieved it doesnt seem to have caused permanent damage, but it definitely needed removal after just 1000 miles. Never again. I bought it at Aldi so expect it should have been genuine, but, the possibility of it being a counterfeit product remains a strong suspicion. I have never seen oil go off like that before. The effect carried over to the following change (Castrol) too so that was done very early. The Quantum (Fuchs?) oil now installed definitely agrees with the car. There is much less in the catch can and no rattle on startup even after 10 days standing between starts. It is so much smoother its hard to believe. It really shows how important oil is. My company Vectra 2.0D ran on Vauxhall high milage spec oil and that was excellent. You could tell it had been changed (after 30K miles) but the difference was not as great as many cars done at 5 or 6K, so there definitely is oil and oil. The Vectra still had 3 changes a year. I want someone else's TA to do the testing of different oils so I read what others do with interest.
 
Odd that, as you say, little known and I have never heard of Exol.
I am a bit suspicious that they recomment the same oil for the TA engine that is put in HDi engines. That seems a lttle to general to me for the application and its a diesel type oil. I think I am going to pre buy Selenia for the next 3 years or so as I am waiting for it to be no longer available. Up until my TAs I have always just used a well known make of oil in the correct grade, or in most vehicles for the last 40 years, Mobil 1. I never had any issues or concerns and no smoke r engine failures. I do feel that the oil which was developed for/ with the TA valve gear specifically in mind, which has to do things other oils dont, and on the basis that its additive package may be more important, I will stick with it for now. And thats from one who does NOT like Selenia oils. The stuff I bought for our 1.2 engines was really appalling. I am relieved it doesnt seem to have caused permanent damage, but it definitely needed removal after just 1000 miles. Never again. I bought it at Aldi so expect it should have been genuine, but, the possibility of it being a counterfeit product remains a strong suspicion. I have never seen oil go off like that before. The effect carried over to the following change (Castrol) too so that was done very early. The Quantum (Fuchs?) oil now installed definitely agrees with the car. There is much less in the catch can and no rattle on startup even after 10 days standing between starts. It is so much smoother its hard to believe. It really shows how important oil is. My company Vectra 2.0D ran on Vauxhall high milage spec oil and that was excellent. You could tell it had been changed (after 30K miles) but the difference was not as great as many cars done at 5 or 6K, so there definitely is oil and oil. The Vectra still had 3 changes a year. I want someone else's TA to do the testing of different oils so I read what others do with interest.
Sorry if I'm being a bit slow on the uptake, but what is it that you think is "odd"?

I think the hydraulically operated Fiat valve gear is so unique, and I've read peoples posts on the forum about how they can play up with the wrong oil, that your advice re what oil to use - the selenia - makes a lot of sense. The new Firefly has multiair hydraulic valve actuation which is very similar, or have I misunderstood? If so then that coupled to a chain driven cam would put me off it right away. Pity, because the use of modulated hydraulic operation should allow for much less compromise between performance and economy/pollution.
 
Sorry if I'm being a bit slow on the uptake, but what is it that you think is "odd"?

I think the hydraulically operated Fiat valve gear is so unique, and I've read peoples posts on the forum about how they can play up with the wrong oil, that your advice re what oil to use - the selenia - makes a lot of sense. The new Firefly has multiair hydraulic valve actuation which is very similar, or have I misunderstood? If so then that coupled to a chain driven cam would put me off it right away. Pity, because the use of modulated hydraulic operation should allow for much less compromise between performance and economy/pollution.
Yes its very clever and very effective, but, if its not serviceable and there are no component parts available, its self defeating. Ive had Noop virtually 6 years so if I had leased it as I was originally tempted to do, I would already have spent much more on it than buying it cash and by quite a margin. I am thinking if it blows up, repair is one option or potentially convert to battery power. Its still very low miles and I try and drive with mechanical sympathy and service levels will be well beyond Fiat standards so my fingers are crossed. Ruby is our insurance policy, Its still in excellent condition and mechanically appears A1. There is no point in selling her as it would not pay us much and its also 1st reserve car for the girls. Its quite staggering how the TA will romp up hills, no matter how big or what its carrying and pulling. Its proof of how effective it is. I like the way it feels like a bigger engine and gets along so well, but it can also chug along at really low revs and if Im so moved it can produce 60+mpg. I would have to think hard about buting another one as its the betamax of engine tech and it arrived on scene too lateso probably just noy worth the bother. Its a shame they did not use the eco funtion to make it economical. As it is is just a halfway house and I feel could have been more.
 
I've ordered the Fuchs GT1 Pro as recommended, thanks for everyone's help, it's been a learning curve, have downloaded the online manual as well, given that my paper version is unreliable.
 
Sorry if I'm being a bit slow on the uptake, but what is it that you think is "odd"?

I think the hydraulically operated Fiat valve gear is so unique, and I've read peoples posts on the forum about how they can play up with the wrong oil, that your advice re what oil to use - the selenia - makes a lot of sense. The new Firefly has multiair hydraulic valve actuation which is very similar, or have I misunderstood? If so then that coupled to a chain driven cam would put me off it right away. Pity, because the use of modulated hydraulic operation should allow for much less compromise between performance and economy/pollution.
Ah Exon being the biggest UK oil manufacturer / supplier. Ive heard of many others but not them. The web site looks and sounds professional though.
 
Ah Exon being the biggest UK oil manufacturer / supplier. Ive heard of many others but not them. The web site looks and sounds professional though.
Yes. They'd not figured large in my knowledge base either, although I was vaguely aware of the name. Apart from their own quite comprehensive catalogue, they seem to be very involved in supplying brand names you see on the shelf at your local trade factor - like, for instance, TradeTEC which one of the big ones near me supplies (and I've used it in some of the older vehicles and found it's fine in things like Pandas and Honda jazz etc. Probably fine in other stuff too. I just like my Fuchs for them.) https://groupauto.co.uk/articles/a-... high quality lubricants from Exol Lubricants.
 
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