Technical Replacing heater matrix

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Technical Replacing heater matrix

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Hello everyone, I've joined the forum for some help with my daughter's 500.
She has a leaky heater matrix and the cabin smells of hot coolant.

I found a link from one of the members explaining how to change it and I just wanted to know that it is relatively straight forward before I tackle it as the part is only £22!

It appears that by removing some trim around the gearstick and passenger footwell, you can access the matrix and the feeder pipes that go through the bulkhead. Once the pipes are disconnected, does the matrix just slide out of its casing, allowing the new one to be inserted and the pipe connections remade?

Many thanks in advance for any advice.
 
Has the car AC? may make it harder but probably not, I've done it on our 09 pop, thought it would be a pain but is straight forward with basic tools.

Essentially
Remove gear stick trim, pulls off
Remove trim underneath gear stick
Drain coolant, I pulled off the bottom rad hose which has a " not so quick disconnect", at the same time check the condition of the metal water pipe behind the exhaust manifold
Disconnect pipes to heater matrix, pull out matrix
Remove the old use once clips on heater hoses under bonnet next to the fire wall, not easy.
Remove the old pipes there's a hard to see bolt half way along under dash
"simply install the new one" in reverse,,,,,,, remove the plastic end cap(opposite end to pipes) from the new matrix and discard remember the new O rings
I found it awkward tightening the new clips on the pipes under bonnet due to access.
That's it, when filling open the bleed screw on the heater hose( next to battery) be VERY gentle with it, its all too easy to snap off the turn wheel.
 
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I understand it’s a job and a half and not something I would ever tackle. I believe the entire dash and metal work underneath has to be removed.

You are probably thinking of the 'heater box' unit....?

Matrix is a slide out part.. like a cabin filter.. :) but with hoses attatched ;)
 
Brilliant! Thanks to John202020, I think it was your post I found originally.
Can I leave the pipes in situ that come through the bulkhead and just replace the matrix?
 
Brilliant! Thanks to John202020, I think it was your post I found originally.
Can I leave the pipes in situ that come through the bulkhead and just replace the matrix?

Well I did wonder that, if you do, use the new O rings and some sealant ? Would suggest if you do check for leaks for at least week, also keep checking the coolent level too.
 
Hi all.

I've been suffering with a heater matrix leak for about 3 months and decided to do something about it (finally).
Following the excellent info posted by John202020 access to the heater matrix was easy.

Next:

1/ Allow the car too cool down, then CAREFULLY remove the cap from the expansion bottle.

2/ The steel heater pipes come through the bulkhead (firewall to some) and are fitted to the heater matrix using two beige-coloured plastic clips. The heater pipes can be left in situ.

3/ Get a suitable bowl ready underneath (to hold about 2L of coolant), then carefully twist the clips undone. You might find that one side can be disengaged first, then spin the clip and undo the other side. Repeat for the lower connection.

Heater Matrix by P. Garry Ball, on Flickr

4/ The matrix "cassette" can be withdrawn easily for inspection.

2020-12-09_03-31-22 by P. Garry Ball, on Flickr

My matrix looked to be in excellent condition. My 2014 500S Twinair 85 has only covered 21k Miles so I was dubious about it having failed, plus
I have no means of pressure testing it at home. Closer inspection of the two beige clips though, revealed some pink staining on the pair from the lower pipe.

Next, I turned my attention to the two 'O' rings on the pipe ends. Removing both I noticed that they had both become very slightly distorted and a ridge had formed around the circumference of them both. I also noticed they had become a little hard (but not brittle).

Heater Matrix by P. Garry Ball, on Flickr

I wasn't able to find any suitable replacements in my usual stock of such things so it was off to Halfords.
They did a pack of 6 'O' rings in two sizes including 4 which looked about right (forgot to take my Vernier callipers with me).
(The Halfords stock code is HFX166)

Back home I measured the OEM O rings which were 20.0mm outside diameter and 1.8mm thick (item 2 in pic below) The Halfords ones were 17.5mm o/d and 1.7mm thick (item 1 in pic below).
I also bought some Granville Instant Gasket which is silicone-based and resistant to high temperatures, coolant and oil.

Heater Matrix by P. Garry Ball, on Flickr

I decided to do a dry fit of the new O rings. It was a slight stretch to get the Halfords 'O' rings over the water pipes.

Heater Matrix by P. Garry Ball, on Flickr

Once connected to the matrix and clips re-attached there seemed to be much more friction on the clips and they spun less easily than before.
This lead me to believe that the new O rings were under compression and my confidence in them working improved somewhat.

You'll notice that the clips have an inner moulded shape which matches the "trumpet" of the matrix pipe ends - make sure you have them the correct way round.

Heater Matrix by P. Garry Ball, on Flickr

I disassembled the whole lot again and smeared a decent fillet of instant gasket externally around the new O rings. Be careful if you use this stuff
not to let any get inside the water pipes as it could break away when set and potentially block up a water way.
Next I reassembled the whole lot - hopefully for the last time!

New coolant was then slowly added to the expansion bottle until it was full, I made sure the heater controls were fully open (HOT) Then I started the engine and let it run for ten minutes (with the pressure cap still off at this stage).
and periodically checked the level. Then, as the heater pipes warmed up I fitted the pressure cap and took the car for a run (there wasn't a need to bleed the system if the coolant is added slowly).
No leaks so far, but I've left all the trim off for now until it's been through a few heat/cool cycles and the instant gasket has cured.

I wonder how many other matrix's have been replaced when the issue was actually failure of the O rings?

I'll report back.
 
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well its my turn :eek: after replacing my thermostat I been having problems getting all the air out... no leaks that I can find so pulled out my matrix and found evidence of coolant leaking on the corner and in some of the fins unfortunately my new part is the wrong one they supplied me with the slim one mine is the fat version same as yours I believe... having probs sourcing a new one now looks like it will have to be an ebay purchase!
thanks for the info though its been very helpful!
 
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