Random/Awkward Highway code questions...

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Random/Awkward Highway code questions...

Here is a scenario....

If the driver of a vehicle was to cross a broken hatched area due to a build up of traffic caused by a broken down vehicle in a totaly safe manner, but in the process of doing so off-sides a keep left sign to make a right turn without passing the broken down vehicle is an a offence created?

If so, what offence/offences have been commited what are they and what (if any) exemptions or mitigating circumstances could be claimed in defense?
 
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i do agree with that, but again, you need to be thinking What If...

but as you say, you can only do what you feel is best for yourself, you can never control what other drivers are doing..

no amount of training can solve that...

Its not a case of pushing your limits as a driver but driving to the limits of the road...

Hence my comment if the corner is blind there is always the chance of another vehicle hence I play it safe

What if that hgv is coming round the bend with an unloaded trailer hits a bump and the trailer steps out........ like one did to me tonight I had already taken the possibility into account and avoided it in a reasonably controlled manor
 
i have a good one,

are you allowed to have a green flashing light on your car visible to others?

Doctors in an emergency.


Try this........

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=92852

Seems its not only me who thinks they tend to patronise (y)

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Hence my comment if the corner is blind there is always the chance of another vehicle hence I play it safe

What if that hgv is coming round the bend with an unloaded trailer hits a bump and the trailer steps out........ like one did to me tonight I had already taken the possibility into account and avoided it in a reasonably controlled manor

Yeah, so you thought about what 'could' happen and took action on it.

Dom
 
Dom? Are you going to have stab at my scenario?

What does your `Bumper book of IAM motoring tips` say??
 
i dont understand why people are targeting dom :confused: all he did was do the IAM course and pass the test for himself, no one else

and he made this thread for a bit of fun
 
Who is targeting him?? not me, I just want to get the views and opinions of an `advanced motorist` that's all (y)
 
Not had a multi-quote like this for a while, so................

When I was in the IAM some 20 odd years ago the answer was........ Only when instructed to by the emergency services :confused:

Guess things must have changed since then (y)
Lot's of things have changed, for instance drum brakes into disc brakes, carburettors into fuel injection and so on. Driving Instructors learn, or rather should learn, that you never say never and never say always so there are exceptions to almost every rule. Recovery vehicles have to reverse up to those they are picking up, as do the Emergency Services. A driver may find himself very close behind a broken down car and have to reverse to get round it or if bringing a tractor unit to replace a broken down one you'd have to reverse onto the trailer. But as has been stated, you can't reverse just because you missed your turning or your underwear has come out of the roof box and is now all over lane 2.

They are people who are 'Want to Be' Police Officers. They can issue speeding tickets ect, but have no authority to arrest or detain anybody.


Highways Agency - Traffic Officer

Didn't realise they could issue speeding tickets. Thought the just went around cleaning up after incidents and blocking off lanes when the feel the need. So they are in essence Pcso's of the motorways.
I think you know by now that HATOs don't issue speeding tickets or anything like. What they can, and often do, is report for summons via the Police for drivers who break the blocks they put on, both static and rolling.

They are nothing more then wombles then (seems Clarkson is right about something), which is good I can keep on past them and shout at people who slow down as they can not see they are not police. :D
Although I do like Clarkson, he is himself something of a muppet as he seems to think anyone who may prevent him doing what he wants is a waste of space. Let's see now, there is a damage only RTC, a lane needs coning off to divert traffic away from the debris and then someone needs to sit with it until recovery arrives. 2 PCs with a few years under their belt will cost £66,000 per year. A pair of HATOs will cost around £48,000. The vehicle? A BMW X5 costs more than a Toyota and because of all the other gear the Cops carry will almost certainly need another vehicle to bring more cones. Do you really need experienced highly trained Police to sit behind a broken down car to stop someone driving into it?

Learn something new everyday??? you have learned TWO things today :D

What are they teaching these young-uns these days?? :D
Not enough beatings in my view. They never did me any harm and in fact made me the man I am today.....a perverted, twisted sado-masochist! Doesn't make me a bad person though.

At least it makes me realise I have ZERO intention of doing an IAM course :) I have been driving since 1989 and the above teaches me nothing... :)

I have never had a single issue joining a motorway or carriageway, so why would the fact I was never taught JKLM impinge on my skills, unless I was trying to communicate with the authorities (and even then, why would that be an issue, does it really make me 'advanced'???. As for not reversing on a motorway, the responses are just lame and laughable... Surely common sense prevails, instead of someone being 'anal'.
I think this is maybe being blown a little out of proportion. Dom is proud of his achievement and rightly so. He's pleased with what he's learnt and tried to stimulate others in debate. Personally I don't remember ever seeing these letters and I've done IAM Police and DSA driving courses but knowing, or not knowing them won't affect me one iota. Improving my observation and forward planning will.


If my memory serves me correct they are in the same Places as the Junction Number either at the Left Top or Bottom. They are a very rare sight, and are usually found on old signs such as Motorway Maintenance temporary signs. Cause I Have me theory test soon I have my Highway Code next to me, all have a look through that and double check it.

Well Just put it this way

You - "Help me AA, ma cars broke down"
AA - "Oh Okay, where are you"?
You - "On the M8 Motorway"
AA - "Where about on that 60 Mile long motorway"?????
You - "Just past Junction 21, between posts J and K"
AA - "Oh, ok. Be there soon".
You - Still waiting 5 hours later. (lol kidding)

Sure thats how it works anyway.



After some searching I found one.

170px-A38DriverLocationSign_km415.jpg
It's got to be better than "Somewhere on the M6" Or even worse, "Somewhere on the M25."

Which is bloody pointless as the little stick markers carry the same information as the new signs they have banged up along all motorways to fetch us in line with europe....
Er, no. The little stick markers simply tell you the direction to the nearest emergency phone. But seeing as most people now will not walk to the nearest phone but use their mobile and then not be able to tell anyone where they are; which takes us back to the above Driver Location Sign. The A & B simply denote one carriageway or the other.

Someone gets an IAM ticket and all of a sudden they know everything and see themselves as being qualified to pass judgement on everyones elses skills and abilities EVEN IN HERE!!.......it never changes :D
Easy Tiger.

I pass judgment on all drivers.
and im too lazy to do such tosh
Honesty and indolence in one sentance.....outstanding!

The problem with "using the road" is all well and good but no one else seems to

Right hand bend get close to the curb to maximise your view...

Left hand bend get close to the center line to maximise your view.......


so your on a left hand blind bend and go to the centre to improve your view.. Then someone comes round the corner bouncing along the cats eyes as its a shorter route.......... Yes your view is improved but you are now on collision course
Adapt, improvise, overcome. Once you've started to turn into a bend it's relatively easy to tighten your line and/or ease off the gas.

Here is a scenario....

If the driver of a vehicle was to cross a broken hatched area due to a build up of traffic caused by a broken down vehicle in a totaly safe manner, but in the process of doing so off-sides a keep left sign to make a right turn without passing the broken down vehicle is an a offence created?

If so, what offence/offences have been commited what are they and what (if any) exemptions or mitigating circumstances could be claimed in defense?
Assuming it's safe as you say, I would say it's failing to comply with a mandatory road traffic sign. Usually a direction sign is not as serious as a No Entry, for example. So going through a sign that says "Buses and Taxis only" is not as serious as No Entry so I would expect to see a £30 Non-endorsable Fixed Penalty (or bollocking) as being the order of the day.

You can also have blue led strobes on your car...... as the wording of the law is so out of date... and only aplies to a blue rotating light....
Once saw a Traffic Sergeant make a driver remove the blue LEDs that used to be attached to screen wash nozzles. He gave the driver a ticket for having blue lights showing on his vehicle. It was dark and the lad couldn't really see what he was doing so the nozzles themselves were ripped out. He then got another ticket for having inoperable screen washers. I wouldn't try pushing the hair splitting rotating beacons as opposed to strobes. You might find that a charge of impersonating a Police Officer follows.

Bloody 'ell! I'm knackered now.
 
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i found this bit'o text in regard of coloured lighting for a car.......

When Flashing Lights Can Be Used
The only times when you can use your blue flashing light are when you are:

  • at the scene of an emergency
  • responding to an emergency
  • wanting to let people know you are there
  • wanting to let people know that there is a hazard on the road

The only times when you can use your amber flashing light are when you are:

  • at the scene of an emergency
  • wanting to let people know you are there
  • at or near an accident or broken-down vehicle
  • towing a broken-down vehicle
  • escorting a very long or wide vehicle (below 25 mph, unless you are in an abnormal load escort vehicle)
  • have special authority
Source: http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=52&Itemid=61

The rules are the same... Blue lights for every one!!!:D
 
Here is a scenario....

If the driver of a vehicle was to cross a broken hatched area due to a build up of traffic caused by a broken down vehicle in a totaly safe manner, but in the process of doing so off-sides a keep left sign to make a right turn without passing the broken down vehicle is an a offence created?

If so, what offence/offences have been commited what are they and what (if any) exemptions or mitigating circumstances could be claimed in defense?

Crossing the broken hatched area would be legal, off-siding the keep left sign would be illegal.

Dom
 
Text book answers again Dom and I cant argue with them but have another go only this time ignore what the book says and imagine we are in the real world (y)

Some clues...emergency vehicles??....emergency personel??.....roadworks??
 
Text book answers again Dom and I cant argue with them but have another go only this time ignore what the book says and imagine we are in the real world (y)

Some clues...emergency vehicles??....emergency personel??.....roadworks??

Lol, of course it would be legal for emergency vehicles to go round them, and also if Police etc direct you to.

Dom
 
i found this bit'o text in regard of coloured lighting for a car.......

Source: http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=52&Itemid=61

The rules are the same... Blue lights for every one!!!:D
You're quoting from an Emergency Vehicle website!!!! Although I haven't had time to read everything on the site I would say you should put your money where your mouth (keyboard) is. To the best of my knowledge the only vehicles allowed to use blue flashing lights on the highway are emergency ones. In other words Police, Fire, Ambulance, Moutain Rescue, Coastguard and RNLI, Royal Army Ordnance Corps and the like.

What you appear to be saying is that anyone, or as you put it "every one" can use blue lights on their vehicle. I would say that's liable to leave you with an appointment with the Magistrates.
 
It's got to be better than "Somewhere on the M6" Or even worse, "Somewhere on the M25."


Er, no. The little stick markers simply tell you the direction to the nearest emergency phone. But seeing as most people now will not walk to the nearest phone but use their mobile and then not be able to tell anyone where they are; which takes us back to the above Driver Location Sign. The A & B simply denote one carriageway or the other.


the pic in included contains the same information though on both (and the stick will obviously as you say have the arrow to the closest orange phone

170px-A38DriverLocationSign_km415.jpg








And on the subject of flashing lights

and one for the know it alls ;)

At what point does a flashing LED Cycle light become legal under the RVLR Because i only know of 3/4 rear LED bike lights that are to the letter of the law legal
 
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You're quoting from an Emergency Vehicle website!!!! Although I haven't had time to read everything on the site I would say you should put your money where your mouth (keyboard) is. To the best of my knowledge the only vehicles allowed to use blue flashing lights on the highway are emergency ones. In other words Police, Fire, Ambulance, Moutain Rescue, Coastguard and RNLI, Royal Army Ordnance Corps and the like.

What you appear to be saying is that anyone, or as you put it "every one" can use blue lights on their vehicle. I would say that's liable to leave you with an appointment with the Magistrates.

I would tend to agree with the first part as it was what I was taught back in the day when only the Sweeney could do 90...
However, last year I reported a local car as it was showing blue lights behind its grille as it sped up behind me, I pulled over to let it pass & was really hacked off to have just given some chav road room.
As luck would have it, when I watched the playback on my T-eye dashcam, the rear cam not only showed my ugly mug but quite clearly showed said car looming into view & whizzing past me - the blue lights flanked by a couple of dodgy dipped lights. my speed was indicated by the camera as 39 (in a 40 zone) so God knows what the chav was doing.

I was told by whoever answered my email (Thames Valley police) that it wasn't illegal to have blue lights - only flashing blue lights. I argued that as the guy was going so fast, every bump and pothole wobbled the lights to make them appear to be flashing. Thinking I was just being fobbed off by someone not wanting to get off their backside I checked this out on a police website, it would seem that every 'ordinary copper' agreed with me - that blue lights should only be allowed on emergency vehicles but it seems that the laws on lighting have slackened off considerably.

Personally, I would go with the 'rip them off at the roadside scenario - and even confiscate them & then write a ticket for anything defective left behind.
 
At what point does a flashing LED Cycle light become legal under the RVLR Because i only know of 3/4 rear LED bike lights that are to the letter of the law legal

When I was a cyclist (before getting knocked off one too many times) I invested in a set of high intensity LEDs and the notes on the packing stated (something like) only to be used in static mode when fitted to cycle, flashing mode to be used only when clipped to body.

The reasoning seemed to be that an intense flashing LED at saddle height (just under the saddle) is at eye level for most drivers and so would cause great annoyance, as it would when fixed to any point. When worn on the body though, the lights will be directed all over the place as the cyclist moves.
 
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