Technical Problems after 13 days...

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I bought my Fiat 500 (2013 model) on New Years Day. It's 3 days old and has just under 200 miles on it. I've driven a stick for about 6 or 7 years, this is not my first manual transmission car. Tonight (late at night, and I'm a young female) I was driving home from the store and the clutch (going from 2nd to 3rd) sort of popped and went straight to the floor. I couldn't do anything, no gas, I just rolled until I stalled. I tried to fix it, I can click the clutch pedal back and forth with my hand, but it doesn't do anything in either position. Not too happy. My phone was at home plugged in, I had to walk about an hour. What in the world is happening with my car? I haven't even gone anywhere far, I've driven it very easily to and from work.....it's 13 days old, it had 2 miles on it when I drove it off the lot. I'm speechless :mad:. Help??
 
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Sounds like the cable has snapped or wasn't installed properly (possibly the later resulting in the former). Good news is it should be an easy fix assuming the dealer has the correct parts in stock.
 
I see a warranty claim in your future- possible manufacturing fault
 
Sounds like the cable has snapped or wasn't installed properly (possibly the later resulting in the former). Good news is it should be an easy fix assuming the dealer has the correct parts in stock.

Is it a cable operated clutch on USA models?

I know of people experiencing this type of problem in UK and it is usually down to a faulty clutch master cylinder. Good luck to the OP, hope she gets it sorted PDQ and posts back with the solution.
 
Is it a cable operated clutch on USA models?

I know of people experiencing this type of problem in UK and it is usually down to a faulty clutch master cylinder. Good luck to the OP, hope she gets it sorted PDQ and posts back with the solution.


:yeahthat:

it sounds as if something has failed prematurely..,:eek:

BUT should be a very easy/ straightforward fix,

don't let it ruin the new car experience..:)


for assurance/reference;
our panda had clutch issues when 6 months old 6K miles,
all fixed for free by fiat,
we've now had another 8 years and 70K, with no further issues,

just " one-of-those-things", ;)

Charlie
 
If there is a manufacturing fault you'll notice it in the first few hundred miles if not sooner.
 
Is it a cable operated clutch on USA models?
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I'd assume so as AFAIK it's a cable clutch on lhd Euro 500's.

Also the symptoms described by the OP are highly suggestive of a cable failure.

In the scheme of things it's a minor fault & will no doubt be quickly fixed under warranty, but it's a shame FIAT don't put a bit more effort into ensuring their customers get a consistently positive out of the box experience.
 
On the U.S. based Fiat boards that I am on, the clutch seems to be the biggest issue people are having with it. Fiat hasn't been covering any of them under warranty because the clutch is a "wear and tear" item.
 
On the U.S. based Fiat boards that I am on, the clutch seems to be the biggest issue people are having with it. Fiat hasn't been covering any of them under warranty because the clutch is a "wear and tear" item.


Even after 13 days of 'wear and tear'?
 
Even after 13 days of 'wear and tear'?

I haven't seen a single case yet where Fiat covered it under warranty, regardless of age or mileage. I've read one or two cases where they did agree to cover the replacement parts free of charge, but the owner still had to pay for the installation labor. I think the lowest mileage car that I've read about that reported some kind of clutch issue was 450 miles (appx. 800km).

I haven't been able to get an exact number of people who have reported the problem, but it does seem to be the minority of those who are posting on the board. There are also tons of people who have 20,000-40,000 miles on their cars with no problems whatsoever, so we're trying to figure out what the deal is.
 
I haven't seen a single case yet where Fiat covered it under warranty, regardless of age or mileage. I've read one or two cases where they did agree to cover the replacement parts free of charge, but the owner still had to pay for the installation labor. I think the lowest mileage car that I've read about that reported some kind of clutch issue was 450 miles (appx. 800km).



I haven't been able to get an exact number of people who have reported the problem, but it does seem to be the minority of those who are posting on the board. There are also tons of people who have 20,000-40,000 miles on their cars with no problems whatsoever, so we're trying to figure out what the deal is.


That is truly amazing. Surely that approach by Fiat contravenes a number of consumer protection laws.
If you owned a new TV or computer and it broke down after a week the manufacturer couldn't just say 'wear and tear' and make you pay for it? Why aren't people making legal claims about this issue? As a consumer you have the right to expect something will last a reasonable amount of time - a new car that breaks a cable after a few weeks is not 'a reasonable time'. Fiat needs to cover 100% of the cost.
I'd be contacting radio and TV stations and getting some media coverage of this issue. Or take the claim straight to someone in Detroit. Not good enough Fiat USA.
 
That is truly amazing. Surely that approach by Fiat contravenes a number of consumer protection laws.
If you owned a new TV or computer and it broke down after a week the manufacturer couldn't just say 'wear and tear' and make you pay for it? Why aren't people making legal claims about this issue? As a consumer you have the right to expect something will last a reasonable amount of time - a new car that breaks a cable after a few weeks is not 'a reasonable time'. Fiat needs to cover 100% of the cost.
I'd be contacting radio and TV stations and getting some media coverage of this issue. Or take the claim straight to someone in Detroit. Not good enough Fiat USA.

Well, the issue comes down to how the warranty is worded. Warranties (at least here in the U.S.) exclude any items that are generally considered to be "wear and tear" such as the brakes, clutch, tires, etc. Since the clutch is a "wear and tear" item, they seem to be taking the stance that it is excluded
from the warranty. There is a Fiat "care specialist" who posts on the board that I am on (they have been trying to help people get some of their issues resolved) and this was his response to the clutch issue:

"The clutch assembly is a wear item and as such carries a 12 month 12000 mile warranty unless you have the Forward Care on your vehicle that would have these items covered to 3/36000 miles. So, having said that, if these were covered components up to 50000 miles, the dealer would have not declined warranty repair. If the clutch assembly needs replaced at 47000 miles, any dealer, any manufacture would consider it out of warranty or caused by normal wear and tear"

The other issue that seems to be stopping them from getting the warranty coverage is because nobody has been able to prove that it was a faulty part. Fiat/Chrysler is just assuming that it is being caused by the operator of the vehicle and not by faulty parts. Two of the people who have been having the problem now have photos of their old clutch assemblies and the consensus seems to be that it is definitely defective parts (probably the throw out bearing being defective). But again, I don't think anyone has pursued it as far as getting an independent shop to look at the parts, etc. I've suggested that the affected people begin lodging complaints with our National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to see if we an get a recall or something.
 
Well, the issue comes down to how the warranty is worded. Warranties (at least here in the U.S.) exclude any items that are generally considered to be "wear and tear" such as the brakes, clutch, tires, etc.

I get the impression that consumer protection laws are much weaker in the US than in Europe.

In the UK it wouldn't matter what the warranty said; you'd have a claim against the dealer you brought it from under the Sale of Goods Act. Any defects in the product that were present at the time of the original sale are covered for six years; for the first six months, the burden of proof is on the seller; for the remainder of the term, the customer must be able to prove that, on balance of probability, the goods were defective when first sold.

A Court in the UK will generally take the view that any defects which develop in the first six months were present at the point of sale unless the seller can prove otherwise.

These rights cannot be waived; you always have them and whatever warranty is offered by the manufacturer or dealer is in addition to these basic rights.

So:
The other issue that seems to be stopping them from getting the warranty coverage is because nobody has been able to prove that it was a faulty part.
in the UK you wouldn't have to; if the failure occured in the first six months, the dealer would have to be able to prove to a Court that the fault was caused by the way you had used the vehicle.
 
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That sounds like a cultural issue in the way business is regulated in the U.S as opposed to many other countries that Fiat are taking advantage of. No way they would get away with that in the E.U.

Is it possible to take these clutch concerns further than Fiat U.S and see what Fiat H.Q tries to give as an excuse?
 
Well, the people that I've talked to have been talking to people on the corporate level from what I understand (via phone and through their customer care program) and it doesn't seem to make any difference. The one person did get their parts covered for free, but they still had to pay the labor. The person posting on the board from Fiat also seems to be at the corporate level or close to it.

The closest thing we have in the U.S. to what you guys are talking about are "lemon laws". If you get a bad car (lemon) and have a certain number of issues with it that cannot be resolved, you can sometimes get the car replaced. However, this varies state by state and some states are better about it than others.

Generally the way it works here is you take your car to the dealer, they try to find the problem, notify corporate of the problem, and then wait to see if it's authorized for repair under the warranty. If Fiat (or whomever) decides that it's outside the warranty coverage, they will deny the repair to be covered under warranty. This is what seems to be happening to the people who have been affected by the clutch issue.

The next thing we can do is notify the aforementioned agency (National Highway Transport Safety Administration - NHTSA) and file a complaint. They will investigate (or are supposed to) anything auto related that could cause an accident and can require the manufacturer to initiate a recall. I've been telling people to do that because if enough people file a complaint with the NHTSA, maybe they will get involved.

This problem seems to be happening in a very small number of people's vehicles (as far as I can tell at any rate - there are only around 10 or less people reporting the problem on the board that I am on and there are several thousand registered users - that doesn't take into account people who are not on a discussion board or are on some other board), but many of us are taking notice of them just in case. People have been reporting the clutch issue anywhere from around 500 miles to around 35,000 miles, so there is no real established pattern other than people with basically new cars are having the clutch go out.

Consumer protection laws are hit or miss here. If you buy a normal product like a computer, iPod, radio, clothing, or something along those lines, stores will usually just give you another one if you have problems with it. It also depends on the dealer as some are considerably better than others and will look out for you. I used to work at a Kia dealer and it was not unusual for us to still cover someone's repair outside of warranty because they had been a good customer, they wanted their continued business, etc.

All that said, it's one more reason why the misses and I are considering moving out of the U.S. in the next few years after we finish school. We're looking at the UK, New Zealand, Canada, and a few others ;)
 
We haven't actually heard back from the OP. Hopefully he's got it sorted easily, or I'd expect him back on here with a diagnosis, decision and inviting our opinions.

If the cable has failed, it should be covered under warranty.
If the clutch cover has failed, that should be covered too at this age/mileage.

Wear & tear would exclude a clutch that is just worn out and slipping, or showed signs of abuse, but that is not what is reported here.

Actually witnessed and old guy destroy a brand new clutch in 40 seconds! Despite having been driving for over 50 years, deafness had apparently removed his ability to feel. He revved the engine to the limiter while slipping the clutch to get out of the parking space. 40 seconds later the centreplate disintegrated. Big bang, lots of smoke and dust, round of applause. We were reluctant to lend him a car while we fitted another clutch.
 
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