Pipe wrench/stilson for outer tie rod end removal

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I'm going to need to remove some very rusted outer tie rod ends before long, so I bought a pipe wrench/stilson. The jaws look very moveable though? And it just doesn't look like I can tighten these as much as I'm going to have to stop it slipping off the tie rod end. Did I buy the wrong ones?


 
I'm going to need to remove some very rusted outer tie rod ends before long, so I bought a pipe wrench/stilson. The jaws look very moveable though? And it just doesn't look like I can tighten these as much as I'm going to have to stop it slipping off the tie rod end. Did I buy the wrong ones?


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I have about five "stilson type " pipe wrenches from one about 3ft long down to a small one that is excellent for removing rounded off rusty brake pipe unions from wheel cylinders.
The beauty is that "wrap around" action so the more it wraps around the pipe the tighter it gets so no chance of slipping.
Obviously the genuine Stilson is still the best in my view but even the cheaper copies do the job.:)
It's a job to tell how big that set is from the video, but if reasonable quality I have even used a piece of scaffold pipe to increase the leverage even further, although access may be a problem if doing track rod ends.:)
 
The picture shows the job i'm returning to, the outer tie rod ends defeated me with those spanners. I was sure to buy fairly long stilsons, they're 18 inches long, about 45cm. I could possibly have got longer ones, but I was wondering if i'd be able to attach them and have access etc, as I work on a driveway.

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The picture shows the job i'm returning to, the outer tie rod ends defeated me with those spanners. I was sure to buy fairly long stilsons, they're 18 inches long, about 45cm. I could possibly have got longer ones, but I was wondering if i'd be able to attach them and have access etc, as I work on a driveway.

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Yes it is a fairly standard use for Stilsons, although probably easier over a garage pit or under a ramp.
However I have done them in similar situations as yours, what I would do is refit the track rod with it's retaining nut to give it some support and put the steering on full lock so you can work outside the wheel arch as much as possible, then put the stilson on the inner end to unwind from the track rod end rather than trying to hold the inner and turn the outer, if you see what I mean.
Having said all this even though I know you have oiled the threads often it mat still need heating up or even the banging between two decent hammers to free the threads inside the track rod end.
Also try to set it up so you are pushing down on the bar or stilson once in position using your foot if necessary, so many time I see people pulling upwards as though trying to lift the car, much easier to use your weight and push down, why work hard if you don't have too.:)
If the car is well supported as high as is safe then you will get more access with the stilson especially if using an extension.
That may test the quality of the tool.:)
 
Yes it is a fairly standard use for Stilsons, although probably easier over a garage pit or under a ramp.
However I have done them in similar situations as yours, what I would do is refit the track rod with it's retaining nut to give it some support and put the steering on full lock so you can work outside the wheel arch as much as possible, then put the stilson on the inner end to unwind from the track rod end rather than trying to hold the inner and turn the outer, if you see what I mean.
Having said all this even though I know you have oiled the threads often it mat still need heating up or even the banging between two decent hammers to free the threads inside the track rod end.
If the car is well supported as high as is safe then you will get more access with the stilson especially if using an extension.
That may test the quality of the tool.:)
That's good advice, I can see all of that will help, so I'll do that!

It was also interesting to hear that the stilsons have a self tightening mechanism which I didn't anticipate, having not used them in recent years.

I can try heat if this doesn't work, but I'd like to exhaust the stilson option first.

I suppose if the tool isn't up to it then i'll find out, it does look sturdy though, so i'm hopeful.

The last lot of tie rod ends on another Punto of this age needed the steering wrack off the car and me stood (carefully) on the inner tie to shift. So i'm prepared for a struggle :)
 
That's good advice, I can see all of that will help, so I'll do that!

It was also interesting to hear that the stilsons have a self tightening mechanism which I didn't anticipate, having not used them in recent years.

I can try heat if this doesn't work, but I'd like to exhaust the stilson option first.

I suppose if the tool isn't up to it then i'll find out, it does look sturdy though, so i'm hopeful.

The last lot of tie rod ends on another Punto of this age needed the steering wrack off the car and me stood (carefully) on the inner tie to shift. So i'm prepared for a struggle :)
Further to the wrap around action bit , if you take your right hand and make a backwards C shape trying to grip something you may see as you move your arm down it tightens but is less effective if you move upwards.
My pet hate is seeing so called "professional mechanics" on TV using a open ended spanner backwards when trying to tighten or slacken a nut. I was taught at college over 55 years ago not to do that as it either stretches the spanner jaws or can actually break them.
If you ever come across a broken open ended spanner it will always have broken on the shorter end, which if you use your hand in the C shape as I mentioned above would be your thumb.
 
Further to the wrap around action bit , if you take your right hand and make a backwards C shape trying to grip something you may see as you move your arm down it tightens but is less effective if you move upwards.
My pet hate is seeing so called "professional mechanics" on TV using a open ended spanner backwards when trying to tighten or slacken a nut. I was taught at college over 55 years ago not to do that as it either stretches the spanner jaws or can actually break them.
If you ever come across a broken open ended spanner it will always have broken on the shorter end, which if you use your hand in the C shape as I mentioned above would be your thumb.
I had to read a few times for this to sink in, but I get it now. I think this means... for example with an open end spanner, put the longer end of the spanner on top and push down for maximum power. And I should do the same with the stilson to get it to tighten most effectively.
 
I had to read a few times for this to sink in, but I get it now. I think this means... for example with an open end spanner, put the longer end of the spanner on top and push down for maximum power. And I should do the same with the stilson to get it to tighten most effectively.
Exactly, it's hard to visualise until you put it into action.:)
With the Stilson if you pushed upwards it wouldn't grip at all as it actually opens the jaws.
You will soon see when you put it into use.
 
I started the job this morning and its not gone so well, as usual lol

The nut holding the tie rod end to the carrier came off just fine last time, but now its spinning in place. I've been trying to get some pliers to hold it while i loosen the nut, but i don't have thin enough pliers. I may have to cut the thing off with an angle grinder now.

I've had a go at turning the outer tie rod with the two stilsons I have, but its not budged so far! They're happily chewing the edges of the outer tie rod though :)

Thoughts ?

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I started the job this morning and its not gone so well, as usual lol

The nut holding the tie rod end to the carrier came off just fine last time, but now its spinning in place. I've been trying to get some pliers to hold it while i loosen the nut, but i don't have thin enough pliers. I may have to cut the thing off with an angle grinder now.

I've had a go at turning the outer tie rod with the two stilsons I have, but its not budged so far! They're happily chewing the edges of the outer tie rod though :)

Thoughts ?

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Re the track rod end nut, first oil the threads around the nut , then place a bar under the bottom of the suspension McPherson strut so that it presses firmly down on the top of the track rod end above the nut, this has the effect of locking the taper allowing you to undo the nut.
Just be careful that the bar doesn't damage the CV boot giving you more work to do.
Generally a good Stilson jaws will grip and tighten enough so they do not slip causing the further damage/chewing you describe.
However if your threads are extremely rusty then you may have to resort to heat and or the two hammer trick.
However do be careful especially where the heat source is concerned!!!!!
 
The penetrating oil was a good idea, i think because I put so much on there last time, i guessed it wasn't going to help this time, but guess what? The outer tie rod came loose! :D

Now I need to try to get a bar to press down on the strut...and it should come off.
 
I'm off to GSF to get some more, my loft is like a bad Tardis - it hides things and brings them out when i don't need them lol.

I'll keep the receipt in the hope that they turn up.
I have a garage of old tools like that, when looking for one I will find something I was looking for weeks earlier.
I used to joke that I have everything accept money and could pull out all sorts of tools and stuff to sort a job, now I have a job even doing that.:)
 
My wife won't throw anything away, 10 years ago when we moved house she filled 6 black bin bags with rubbish, no useful things, from one tiny conservatory. So our loft is now so full she doesn't even want to go in it, let alone use the things she's got up there.

I have more rod ends, it's just started raining so I wish I'd have covered the wheel area.
 
The first rod end went on and the car drove ok, blimey i'm exhausted lol.

These Grande Puntos were designed to give mechanics a work out so they wouldn't need to go to the gym :D

Can't say i'm that keen on getting the second rod end on!
 
The other rod end went on this morning. The job itself was "quick and painful" lol. I managed to cut my finger while loosening the locking nut, then i sanded my wrist with an electric wirebrush while cleaning up the thread, and i've managed to pick up a tiny metal splinter somehow!

The tracking was toe out, so i've brought the toe in by about 6mm total. The tracking hadn't been done for many years. I'll keep an eye on the tyres and adjust again if necessary. I took it for a drive and checked the first rod end for problems, its all fine, even the steering wheel is centred, i am happy with that!

Thanks for the help.
 
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