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OK, so looking for some parts for the Multi, and the Punto. Not urgent, just to clear up the few 'advises' on their MOT sheets.

Mate has a set of rear shocks for the multi, made by Quinton Hazell, (he no longer has the multi!!) New, in their box.
Also, a set of front brake discs/pads kit, made by Unipart.(also boxed as new)

Wonder if these are 'decent' makes or just 'cheap brands' now.

Years ago, we always used QH, and Unipart, and they were the 'go to' brands, but not heard of them for a while.
Mate reckons he bought them around 4-5 years ago, but never got round to fitting them.

Anyone got any opinions regarding whether to go for them or not??
 
Unipart started as a brand within the Rover Group parts operation, using the large dealer network as distribution. At the time, other factors might deliver twice a week, wheras the Rover dealer was usually out daily to all areas. Part quality was initially excellent, as they had access to all the OE manufacturers. As competition began to catch up, they had to cut costs, and that is where it all started to go wrong. Buying cheap, and selling expensive, did not win favour with customers. Later they found a middle ground, with good quality, and reasonable pricing. Sadly, the company was heavy in middle management, bringing huge cost, slow response to changing markets, and a long heavy process to introducing new parts. (Initially I worked in the warranty department, later in the parts intro process.) At least, while slowly sinking into the abyss, it bought me a house, although, like the parts, is not high quality.
Unipart bought a factor chain, Edmunds Walker. They had a chain of outlets countrywide, with a head office staff of about 30. Instead of learning, Unipart insisted on doing it their way, expanding the head office count to over a hundred, and wondered where the profits went. They later did the same thing with Brown Bros/Partco, having learnt nothing, and slid that into nothing too. The Partco guys were all good, but unable to battle against the bureaucracy. Partco and QH were closely linked.

QH started out with medium quality products, and were popular in the trade as being 'adequate', and a good choice for owners with little money, and low milages. Their clutches however, were usually regarded as a last resort, as they were often plagued with judder and early failures. QH saw the light, and upped their quality, taking over their clutch supplier, and changing it to make good quality parts, later used as OE replacements. They did similar with water pumps, moving from 'medium life adequate', to high quality, often better than OE. The Rover A-series engine was known for water pump leaks, the QH replacement used a better seal and lasted significantly longer.
Into the new century, it all went downhill, for both QH and Unipart. Unipart aftermarket is now just a brand, no connection, apart from a licence fee, to the parent company. No idea of their sources or quality, as the sell off happened after I left.
QH disappeared, the name bought by First Line. First Line were initially adequate, then improved, and my last dealings with them was with a company striving to bring good products to market at acceptable prices. Current QH stuff is the same, just with different branding.
Prior to the early 2000s, I was confident with most Unipart products, except their brake friction products. Most was sourced from a supplier with no other aftermarket presence, and my own experience was at times frightening. We used to test fit many of their products, running various vehicles. For commuting around town, their brakes were acceptable, only because you'd probably never use them in anger. In heavy use, there was a tendency for them to fade, worryingly. They improved, but by then I'd long since refused to use them on my own vehicles. Shortly before I left, they were moving away from that company, and going to Mintex, always a good choice. No idea what the new organisaton are sourcing though.

In summary, for the original question, the shocks will be fine, as will the brake discs. The brake pads may be OK, but you wouldn't find me using them, unless their origin could be determined. If they're clearly Mintex, they're good.
 
I liked Brown Brothers, they had stock that no one else carried and a decent range of quality tools
As for your experience with brake pads, I once fit some to a 128 estate, non standard can’t remember the brand supplied direct from factors by the ‘customer’.
Guy came back with a consistent grinding rubbing squealing noise, the friction material had separated wholly from the metal carriers on all four pads!
 
Had heard that they had both been through several owners, and had both gone under previously. Guess both now 'outsource' their supplies to whoever can give a competitive quote. These then get the 'brand name' affixed to them, whatever quality they are.
Mate offered the lot for £75, (about half the original prices according to the stickers on the boxes), not sure whether to go for them, or spend a bit more for something better up the quality scale. It's my family at risk, after all.
Might be great, but then again, might not!!
(mind you, most stuff is cheap China/Japan/Taiwan stuff, with 'named brands' stuck on apparently!!) Never mind the quality, look at that brand name....
Top brands look expensive, just for the name, but, quality (and reputation) counts as well.
 
There are not many manufacturers of each product, sometimes only one. The big brands will make some of their own stuff, and infill their range with products from other big brands. A mutual agreement, that serve them all well. There were two main water pump manufacturers in Italy, that did this, as did the two main suspension brands. Always a headache trying to fathom their application data, as it didn't always agree between the two.

The lesser known brands, however, will happily source from the cheaper suppliers.

Made in China, is not always a bad thing. China has the capability to manufacture to any standard the customer wants. The quality has to be watched though, as they will quote for the good stuff, supply that initially, then substitute the cheaper stuff later, hoping you won't notice. Worse, they will mix it up. When I was at Unipart, everything from China was 100% inspected. I doubt that's the case now.

As a customer of China manufacturing, we had to be careful with their application listings. International car manufacturers will use the same model name for different vehicles. How about a Ford Escort with a 3.5 V6? Not the same car that we know.
One visit by the top people to China, resulted in a large catalogue being couriered back to me, with a deadline to make a list of products within 48 hours. This was radiators and water pumps. Despite many names being familiar, I found 3 potential products suitable for the UK market. Sadly, there was a container already on its way. Oops. That's what happens when you only allow top people to fly, so the lower peons, who know their stuff, don't go, and decisions are rubbish as a result. I also remember a container of door mirrors, all for LHD vehicles.
 
There are not many manufacturers of each product, sometimes only one. The big brands will make some of their own stuff, and infill their range with products from other big brands. A mutual agreement, that serve them all well. There were two main water pump manufacturers in Italy, that did this, as did the two main suspension brands. Always a headache trying to fathom their application data, as it didn't always agree between the two.

The lesser known brands, however, will happily source from the cheaper suppliers.

Made in China, is not always a bad thing. China has the capability to manufacture to any standard the customer wants. The quality has to be watched though, as they will quote for the good stuff, supply that initially, then substitute the cheaper stuff later, hoping you won't notice. Worse, they will mix it up. When I was at Unipart, everything from China was 100% inspected. I doubt that's the case now.

As a customer of China manufacturing, we had to be careful with their application listings. International car manufacturers will use the same model name for different vehicles. How about a Ford Escort with a 3.5 V6? Not the same car that we know.
One visit by the top people to China, resulted in a large catalogue being couriered back to me, with a deadline to make a list of products within 48 hours. This was radiators and water pumps. Despite many names being familiar, I found 3 potential products suitable for the UK market. Sadly, there was a container already on its way. Oops. That's what happens when you only allow top people to fly, so the lower peons, who know their stuff, don't go, and decisions are rubbish as a result. I also remember a container of door mirrors, all for LHD vehicles.
Ahh, good old 'quality control'. There lies the can of worms...
Having worked in engineering, (aircraft) for a large number of years, where tolerances and quality control are absolutely crucial, know how the 'outsourced components' make one want to pull their hair out.
Spent almost a year on 'incoming machined goods' inspection from sub contractors who managed to get contracts to supply some machined items we did not have capacity for due to workloads. Had several cases of 'sub standard' kit popped into batches of stuff, and it got to the point where we were having to check each item, rather than a random number of samples, after they tried to get a few items slipped into the consignment. (obviously, the requirements for aircraft parts are very stringent, considering their use) and we had to terminate a couple of contracts due to suppliers dropping below standards.
('standards here being in the region of some +/- 0.010inch! (That's ten thousandths of an inch !! :oops: )) anything outside those limits were 'scrap'.
Most suppliers started of well, but then the odd 'subbies' started to appear here and there, then more here than there..

RE the car parts, might have the shocks, but might give the brake set a miss methinks. (the brake shoes have no markings on them, so no idea who made them, and from what!!)
 
RE the car parts, might have the shocks, but might give the brake set a miss methinks. (the brake shoes have no markings on them, so no idea who made them, and from what!!)
Good shout, although the discs are likely to be fine.

Remembering back to Unipart days, and the Gold Seal gearboxes. The remanufacturing plant was based in the old Riley works in Coventry, but did a good job of stripping the boxes (and engines), inspecting everything, and rebuilding. Some components were renewed every time, some refurbished, others re-used after inspection. Usually the result was great.
Then we had a series of noisy diffs in Mini/1100/1300/Allegro gearboxes. Initially all got rejected by the remanufacturing plant as no fault found. So a visit was arranged. At the end of the line, all gearboxes were tested. This involved spinning the input shaft with a Black & Decker drill, while all the gears were selected in turn. So no load, and no reason for the diff to do anything. Added to that, the 'tester' was a great old guy, been there all his life, nearing retirement, but so deaf, you had to shout in his ear. Not good for noise assessments. The process got changed, a rig was built to put a load on the output, and a different tester. Sorted. The old guy was reassigned to other duties, using his expertise and experience, in an environment where hearing was not so important.
The Rover/Triumph engines and gearboxes were rebuilt by Beans Engineering. In the same factory that originally made the Bean motor car. Just over the road was a lovely pub, "Mad O'Rourke's Pie Factory". Always a good factory visit, and done regularly, whether there were problems or not, as the lunch was wonderful. Best was the 'Desperate Dan Pie". A big pie, in a dish, with pastry horns. Inside was meat, potatoes, and veg. Ideally shared between two, as it was enormous.
It's still there. https://www.madorourkes.com/index.html See the logo in the centre.
All the tables inside used to be made from recycled machinery. Memories form the late nineties.
 
Quick update on this. Had the shocks from my mate for £30, but passed on the disc/pads set. Careful monitoring of e-bay got me a pair of unipart discs, brand new, unopened old stock, vented, for the princely sum of £26 inc P&P (which must have been expensive, that box weighs a ton!!) Also, managed to aquire a complete set of genuine Mintex front pads, again, boxed, unopened old stock, (box a bit tatty, but still sealed) for £18 in P&P. :giggle:
Fitted the shocks recently, easy job took about 45 minutes, (having 'plusgassed' all the bolts/nuts for 2 days before working on them) Did replace the M12 nylock nuts on the bottom bolts though just to be sure! (multi certainly rides better now, despite the old ones being 'ok' but looking a bit oily on offside one)
Now, just waiting for the better weather before tackling them brakes... ;)
 
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