General Panda Indicator Cancellation & Tyre Pressure?

[mat22]

Hi,

Me again...

Has anyone noticed or find there indicator seems to cancel itself more often than it should?

Example: I indicate right to go right around the roundabout, On the rounabout the indicator still indicating like normal and althou the steering wheel is turned right and should not cancel itself until it is straight again i am finding it seems to cancel itself, not always but notice it does happen now and then. I feel as if i am having to reput the indicator on more often and this happened and felt like a few times today.

Another thing is i cannot find the tyre pressure for the Fiat Panda, maybe i missed it in the manual but cannot find it. I looked on drivers door and passenger door but cannot find a sticker. Maybe it in the manual and i am missing it. So can someone tell me the tyre pressure in psi for the Fiat Panda, it is a Dynamic 2008 1.2 version.

Thanks
Mathew

 

[udtrev]

Mathew,

According to the manual it's 29 for the front, 26 for the back

Trev

 

[David C]

yep, or 33psi front and 32psi rear when fully loaded.

 

[mat22]

Thanks,

Just found it last page in back of book.

 

[greyridertoo]

Heh, another little "feature" of the Panda. The self cancelling - whether you want them to or not - indicators are well known. Use your finger tips to hold the things on and to flick them back off as you turn the wheel out of your manouver. You'll soon get used to it and be making Panda eyes at everyone.....

 

[SurreyAlan]

or 2.0 bar front and 1.8 bar rear. After all the cold weather got round to checking them on the 1.2 and found them much higher than they should have been, all that extra air must have been what the Fiat dealer charged me all that money for at the service in December. A few extra pounds really does seem to change the handling quite a lot.

 

[greyridertoo]

...A few extra pounds really does seem to change the handling quite a lot.

Careful though, running mine on the wrong pressures wore the fronts out very quickly. I think the Panda is quite fussy about what shoes it wears - first car I've ever owned which wore through a set of boots in under 11,000 from brand new No rough handling, quick starts ( in a Dyanamic?) or violent stops either.

 

[LeanMeanRacing]

Use your finger tips to hold the things on and to flick them back off as you turn the wheel out of your manouver.

As a driving instructor, the self-cancelling 'feature' of the Panda is a right PITA!

What is Fiat's official answer to the issue? It almost feels like the self-cancelling unit is set-up for a LHD car where a roundabout would be driven anti-clockwise

 

[BigAl54]

As a driving instructor, the self-cancelling 'feature' of the Panda is a right PITA!

What is Fiat's official answer to the issue? It almost feels like the self-cancelling unit is set-up for a LHD car where a roundabout would be driven anti-clockwise

My old Mk2 Punto had the same problem, same stalks, It's not as if you can't live with it. Like a lot of things, I didn't know I had a problem until I read it on here

 

[D4nny8oy]

As a driving instructor, the self-cancelling 'feature' of the Panda is a right PITA!

What is Fiat's official answer to the issue? It almost feels like the self-cancelling unit is set-up for a LHD car where a roundabout would be driven anti-clockwise

As has been said- it's not a fault, it's the design (and has been like that for many models). Fiat released a Service Bulletin to assure Tech's that this is how they operate (cancelling at 90deg from straight-ahead). The other 'problem' is indicating right when entering a roundabout, but having to turn the wheel slightly left on entry will cancel the indicator early- again, not a fault.

Try it stationary, you'll see they cancel at the same point in both directions. Then indicate one way but turn the wheel the other, you'll see they cancel earlier, but still equally.

Every vehicle manufacturer is different- some cancel earlier, some later. It's just a quirk.

 

[LeanMeanRacing]

The other 'problem' is indicating right when entering a roundabout, but having to turn the wheel slightly left on entry will cancel the indicator early- again, not a fault.

That is the main issue and yes, as BigAl says, you do get used to it. However, with a new driver who is learning roundabouts for the first time, having to reapply the indicator is a distraction to the task in hand. Once they know what to expect, they do the same as us and hold it on or anticipate the self-cancelling and reapply the signal.

It's easy to dismiss it as a trivial matter, but to me, it is a fault. None of my other vehicles have done this so I think that it's Fiat who are the odd-one-out.

I still think that the Panda is a great tuition car though!

 

[306maxi]

That is the main issue and yes, as BigAl says, you do get used to it. However, with a new driver who is learning roundabouts for the first time, having to reapply the indicator is a distraction to the task in hand. Once they know what to expect, they do the same as us and hold it on or anticipate the self-cancelling and reapply the signal.

It's easy to dismiss it as a trivial matter, but to me, it is a fault. None of my other vehicles have done this so I think that it's Fiat who are the odd-one-out.

I still think that the Panda is a great tuition car though!

I agree it is a little strange and perhaps a bit of a pain but it is the way it works and it is at least consistent. If I was instructing in a 500 or Panda I would simply let the student know how it worked and just give them advance warning that it might self cancel on them.

P.S You must be the only driving instructor in the UK who teachers their students to indicate

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

What is Fiat's official answer to the issue? It almost feels like the self-cancelling unit is set-up for a LHD car where a roundabout would be driven anti-clockwise

Cut-out angles would be the same though. All they're doing it driving on the other side of the road, not as though they turnings are different tbh.

 

[mat22]

I have got used to the indicator now but it is damn annoying to say the least, my other cars never done this either, guess i just have to learn with it, but i agree with the driving instructor, as if i was learning to drive and kept having to reapply indicator on rounabout etc i would very likely feel it as a distraction and possibly could cause a hazard as obviously new drivers could find it very distracting and cause them to focus on the indicator to much and for to long whilst driving. I passed my test 5 years ago and i would not have liked my indicator like that, but thankfully i am not a learner anymore so i can just reapply etc but do feel for learners.

Mathew

 

[D4nny8oy]

To be frank though- if someone is easily distracted from driving by something as little as an indicator stalk self-cancelling, I'd be concerned how they'd handle anything else.

 

[Pandemonium]

When I first got the Panda the indicators really annoyed me. However I cant even remember the last time I had a problem with them. Its either fixed itself or more likely that I just dont notice it anymore. Fiat probably arent very good at making indicator stalks because if the fables about Italian driving are true they dont use them.

 

[LeanMeanRacing]

To be frank though- if someone is easily distracted from driving by something as little as an indicator stalk self-cancelling, I'd be concerned how they'd handle anything else.

I was anticipating a comment like yours, Danny!

If you could spend a day observing a variety of novice drivers, you would see how it is an unwelcome distraction. This is particularly the case at junctions where the steering angle is set and is just at the point where the signal will not stay on.

There is a tricky 'spiral lane' roundabout that is approached by and leads onto high speed roads. When turning right, being a spiral lane, it quickly moves vehicles to the outside of the roundabout [making it appear that you are going to leave the roundabout]. If the right signal will not stay on, it is very common for drivers in the opposite exit to pull out into your path.

I'm not a 'string-back driving gloves' kind of instructor [I'd have a Micra, if that were the case!] and I can teach students to cope with whatever comes their way. But it makes life easier when the indicators self-cancel like the majority of other vehicles.

306 - You are right. I do warn my students and explain that it's not 'broken' but 'different' to other cars

 

[306maxi]

I was anticipating a comment like yours, Danny!

If you could spend a day observing a variety of novice drivers, you would see how it is an unwelcome distraction. This is particularly the case at junctions where the steering angle is set and is just at the point where the signal will not stay on.

There is a tricky 'spiral lane' roundabout that is approached by and leads onto high speed roads. When turning right, being a spiral lane, it quickly moves vehicles to the outside of the roundabout [making it appear that you are going to leave the roundabout]. If the right signal will not stay on, it is very common for drivers in the opposite exit to pull out into your path.

I'm not a 'string-back driving gloves' kind of instructor [I'd have a Micra, if that were the case!] and I can teach students to cope with whatever comes their way. But it makes life easier when the indicators self-cancel like the majority of other vehicles.

306 - You are right. I do warn my students and explain that it's not 'broken' but 'different' to other cars

I can certainly sympathise with your plight. You just don't need any added distractions when teaching people who are just starting to learn.

 

[rossmanfiatfan]

My cars indicators cancel all the time and I have to sometimes hold the indicator as I go round roundabouts or corners ! bloody annoying !

I thought they we're faulty and I was going to phone up my dealer about it but it sounds like you just have to live with it

I've owned 24 other cars and none have had this indicator problem !

Is there a fix for this problem ?

 

[KozmoNaut]

Is there a fix for this problem ?

Not a thing you can it, it's just they way Fiats are.