Technical Panda 4x4 Wheels & Tyres

[Rondine]

I have just got my 10.th Fiat, a 5 month old Panda 4x4 Wild '23. I was surprised that the car had Continental summer tyres (175/65 R 15).
I want to fit alternative wheels with all season or winter tyres as I live in Scotland. I have Fiat 14 inch steel wheels with 175/65 winter tyres,
but reckon these will have too small a diameter.
I also have unused Fiat 14 inch alloys and wonder if these can be used, but using which tyre size ?
I am hesitating buying 15 inch wheels now as I will eventually fit all season tyres to the wheels which are on the car.
( I have too many wheels with winter tyres from past cars which I didn't have time to sell. Dealers are not giving anything for these during trade in
as opposed to the practice in countries requiring winter tyres.}

I am very pleased with my car which has a good infotainment system, but can't understand why Fiat fitted summer tyres and dropped the fog lights.
I am considering fitting some FF100 Hella elliptical fog lights. Does anyone have experience with fitting fog lights ?
I was looking at 4x4 Cross cars, but they were a bit costly. Would have liked the hill descend system on the Cross.
I had a panda 4x4 with a 'fire ' engine in 1990. Pity I didn't hold on to this as I believe there are only about a dozen of these left in the UK.

Good to have just joined the forum.

 

[Herts Hillhopper]

I think you're right about the retreads being too big. Standard wheels/tyres are almost an interference fit at the front, back of the arch. However, the Italian site specifies Panda.
I have a mate who speaks Italian and we can call them to see if theres a deal to be done for a 175/65 R15 steel wheel/tyre package plus dampers/struts and springs in one delivery. Thanks for your engagement with this guys. I'll keep you posted although I think its not going to be a quick job.
Bizarrely I'm also struggling with my factory flush roof rails to source roof bars. All the apparently specific Panda ones ("fits your car") stipulate suitable for open rails only. And I want black ones... don't really want to respray but could.

Let us know the outcome - although my 4x4 is mostly used on the road, I do go well off the beaten track quite frequently... (not overly challenging in this shot - just very slippery clay mud and wet grass, but this is maybe half a mile from the tarmac)

 

[boozyjay]

I have just got my 10.th Fiat, a 5 month old Panda 4x4 Wild '23. I was surprised that the car had Continental summer tyres (175/65 R 15).
I want to fit alternative wheels with all season or winter tyres as I live in Scotland. I have Fiat 14 inch steel wheels with 175/65 winter tyres,
but reckon these will have too small a diameter.
I also have unused Fiat 14 inch alloys and wonder if these can be used, but using which tyre size ?
I am hesitating buying 15 inch wheels now as I will eventually fit all season tyres to the wheels which are on the car.
( I have too many wheels with winter tyres from past cars which I didn't have time to sell. Dealers are not giving anything for these during trade in
as opposed to the practice in countries requiring winter tyres.}

I am very pleased with my car which has a good infotainment system, but can't understand why Fiat fitted summer tyres and dropped the fog lights.
I am considering fitting some FF100 Hella elliptical fog lights. Does anyone have experience with fitting fog lights ?
I was looking at 4x4 Cross cars, but they were a bit costly. Would have liked the hill descend system on the Cross.
I had a panda 4x4 with a 'fire ' engine in 1990. Pity I didn't hold on to this as I believe there are only about a dozen of these left in the UK.

Good to have just joined the forum.

They now come with summer tyres because of the emissions - a stupid idea if you ask me. My new Cross 4x4 has them fitted. I swapped them all over yesterday to four brand new Goodyear Vector Gen 3 all season tyres. I had the Gen 2 Vector tyres on my old Cross 4x4 and really rated them.

 

[Panda IIs]

I think you're right about the retreads being too big. Standard wheels/tyres are almost an interference fit at the front, back of the arch. However, the Italian site specifies Panda.
I have a mate who speaks Italian and we can call them to see if theres a deal to be done for a 175/65 R15 steel wheel/tyre package plus dampers/struts and springs in one delivery. Thanks for your engagement with this guys. I'll keep you posted although I think its not going to be a quick job.
Bizarrely I'm also struggling with my factory flush roof rails to source roof bars. All the apparently specific Panda ones ("fits your car") stipulate suitable for open rails only. And I want black ones... don't really want to respray but could.

Probably worth a quick call to check the moulded (finished) outside diameter? I know things are "different" in some parts but I'd be surprised that they would deviate from the "standard" by too much.

 

[Davidbrandx]

I found the perfect steel wheels... in Japan.. bugger!https://www.italiazakka.co.jp/shop/23804-0-en.html

 

[Bonefish Blues]

I found the perfect steel wheels... in Japan.. bugger!https://www.italiazakka.co.jp/shop/23804-0-en.html

And sold out too

 

[Davidbrandx]

And sold out too

And £750 before duty/shipping

 

[Bonefish Blues]

And £750 before duty/shipping

Serious suggestion - get in touch with the Panda offroad guys and see what they say

Linky to their channel:

https://www.youtube.com/@UKPanda4x4

 

[Davidbrandx]

https://www.rialzi4x4evo.store/en/product-page/kit-completo-panda-4x4-cross-ultima-serie-da-2013-altezza-3-cm-a-molla

So, Rialzi4x4 do a damper and springs lift kit €800 plus shipping/tax. Their lowest lift kit is 3cm, I'm assuming front and rear (I did think that rear should be ~10mm and front up to 30mm) but they don't specify. Opinions regarding geometry please at 30mm? I'm assuming it's easy enough to adjust camber, castor, toe. My mate has a computer alignment tracking set up machine.

 

[Davidbrandx]

Serious suggestion - get in touch with the Panda offroad guys and see what they say

Linky to their channel:

https://www.youtube.com/@UKPanda4x4

Will do

 

[Twotone2]

I found the perfect steel wheels... in Japan.. bugger!https://www.italiazakka.co.jp/shop/23804-0-en.html

Those are the wheels on our 2023 4x4.

 

[Davidbrandx]

Those are the wheels on our 2023 4x4.

Interesting! Thank you!

 

[Twotone2]

Interesting! Thank you!

Aye it's a Fiat Panda Wild Twinair 4X4.

I'd imagine the wheels would be available in the UK or Italy.

 

[Davidbrandx]

Serious suggestion - get in touch with the Panda offroad guys and see what they say

Linky to their channel:

https://www.youtube.com/@UKPanda4x4

a) they use spacers
b) they go to 30mm lift
c) knobblies add 10mm to the radius (tyre measurements are carcass without tread)
d) they cut the wheel arch to give clearance!
e) full marks; they don't spend money!
I've got cash, so I'm spending!!!

 

[The Panda Nut]

Emissions.

Welcome to the forum.

Yep the difference in fuel consupmtion is substantial.

 

[Herts Hillhopper]

Bizarrely I'm also struggling with my factory flush roof rails to source roof bars. All the apparently specific Panda ones ("fits your car") stipulate suitable for open rails only. And I want black ones... don't really want to respray but could.

There should be plenty of options - very many more cars (of various makes) have the 'flush' type roof rails than raised ones. Mine are genuine Fiat ones, bought from a Fiat garage via ebay for half the original price. It turns out they're made by Thule, but cost a lot less than if you order genuine Thule ones! (which are now well over £300!)

Any use: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266470716524, www.ebay.co.uk/itm/276117967935 or www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224175563889

 

[Twotone2]

They now come with summer tyres because of the emissions - a stupid idea if you ask me. My new Cross 4x4 has them fitted. I swapped them all over yesterday to four brand new Goodyear Vector Gen 3 all season tyres. I had the Gen 2 Vector tyres on my old Cross 4x4 and really rated them.

Kwikfit are doing them for £369 fitted X four and ATS are £359 X four fitted.

Interestingly my existing tyres, Goodyear Duragrip, are more expensive.

I've just phoned ATS for a bit of advice re keeping the existing tyres, ie selling them on as they've only done about 2500 miles, and the guy said that's not a problem as in they can be reused.

I always thought removed tyres had to be dumped?

No idea if selling them on ebay or wherever would be viable though given that they're pretty specific to Fiat Panda 4X4s.

 

[jrkitching]

I always thought removed tyres had to be dumped?

There are thousands of places selling part worn tyres. This is just one random example.

You can list them for free in the classified section of this forum.

 

[Twotone2]

Thanks, Kwikfit have no stock apparently.

Not even sure that ATS have stock either but they're going to take the order when I pay for it.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

There are thousands of places selling part worn tyres. This is just one random example.

You can list them for free in the classified section of this forum.

I've always bought second hand cars with part worn tyres

Amuses me no end when they are declared the spawn of the devil and so on - because if you think about it, a part worn for sale is able to be properly examined, as opposed to that 2012 Mondeo on Scroggins' Lot, where only the outside can be seen.

Dismounts hobbyhorse

 

[Herts Hillhopper]

Trying to buy winter or all-season tyres at this time of year gets tricky as they tend to be out of stock. When I bought mine, in May I think, to replace those that had worn, loads of stock available
Right now I’m struggling to get one Mich CrossClimate2 to replace one of those May tyres, as I have a nail in it, too close to the edge to be repaired. For now it’s holding pressure!