Technical Other warning lights glowing on dash when right indicator on

[frupi]

Have to say that I don't like the new cluster at all.

Do you mean the latest is it TFT? dash pod, or the 'standard' but obviously upgraded pod they've just fitted to our car today? The new pod we have is imo, better than the original factory fit one. Initially I thought the new pod was identical to the one it replaced, but then I noticed the subtle differences in the location of the icons etc.

There obviously clearly must have been an issue with some of the clusters that were pushed out, though that being said, the service manager at the dealership that did ours told me they've only had one other in for warranty replacement.

 

[306maxi]

The one that you have.

 

[frupi]

The one that you have.

Lol! Each to their own opinion eh The Wife likes the new pod over the old one. As long as it doesn't go TU like the original did, then we'll be even happier. At least we didn't have to pay anything to have it fixed.

 

[Mercky]

I don't mind the digital display too much, you get used to it. One nice thing about the new TFT is that it shows more trip info. My only gripe would be that the Rev counter is a bit cluttered so I prefer the clearer and larger analogue version that I have as you use it a lot driving a TA

 

[epicblue 1point2]

Hi everyone. I am very new to Fiat ownership and am experiencing this exact issue on a used 500 1.2 lounge I bought. I am also seeing a dim glow from some of the dash warning lights when the ignition is completely switched off. With the ignition on and the right indicator flashing, the engine warning LED and the ABS warning LED flash together with the timing of right turning signal LED. Keen to know if anyone has had luck fixing this without having to replace the entire dash cluster? thanks

 

[frupi]

How old is this used 500?.......

I forgot my manners, welcome to the forum by the way!

 

[frupi]

If he's experiencing what we did with ours back in 2015, it's probably knackered hence why Fiat replaced ours under warranty. The car was only a year old when it failed.

This might help:

http://www.ecutesting.com/catalogue/product/fiat_500_dashboard_instrument_cluster_dac516052.html

 

[typecastboy]

I’ve had a similar thing. When right indicator was on other lights appeared to be on but low brightness. You could only see it at night. Never did get to the bottom of it.

 

[HVF Fiat500]

Hello,
I was parking up my Daughters 500 Colour Therapy (YM 2014) last night and noticed we have this engine warning light and ABS light flashing with the right indicator situation. A search through this excellent and informative forum shows that we are not alone with this condition!

We get the problem when we indicate right and when we put the hazards on. When the alarm is set and unset it doesn't happen. A left indication is also fine

Someone said it might be the wiring loom in the boot but I checked that and the wires are all taped together and there is no sign of a fracture (it was dark so I didn't get chance to unwrap it). I opened and closed the boot while the lights were all flashing and it made no difference.

Someone else suggested a poor earth connection but there is no sign of any other lights glowing with the indicator - only the warning lights on the dash.

A couple of questions please....

1. Is this just a nuisance or is it likely to cause the car to break down?
2. This is quite an old thread and I wondered if anyone had found a DIY fix?

Many thanks,
Mike

 

[frupi]

I'm assuming here that you've tried the whole battery disconnect/reconnect thing?

If that doesn't work, then I realise that you are probably trying to avoid doing so, but my advice is, take the car to your local Fiat dealership and get them to diagnose the fault properly. Yes, it will cost you money, but ultimately, it may well save you a great deal of time chasing your own backside.

You've clearly read the thread anyway. My own situation was only resolved by the complete replacement of the instrument dash pod. I was lucky, it was done under warranty, but we never had the problem again. The instrument dash pods are known for giving problems.

 

[pasotibbs]

Hello,
I was parking up my Daughters 500 Colour Therapy (YM 2014) last night and noticed we have this engine warning light and ABS light flashing with the right indicator situation. A search through this excellent and informative forum shows that we are not alone with this condition!

We get the problem when we indicate right and when we put the hazards on. When the alarm is set and unset it doesn't happen. A left indication is also fine

Someone said it might be the wiring loom in the boot but I checked that and the wires are all taped together and there is no sign of a fracture (it was dark so I didn't get chance to unwrap it). I opened and closed the boot while the lights were all flashing and it made no difference.

Someone else suggested a poor earth connection but there is no sign of any other lights glowing with the indicator - only the warning lights on the dash.

A couple of questions please....

1. Is this just a nuisance or is it likely to cause the car to break down?
2. This is quite an old thread and I wondered if anyone had found a DIY fix?

Many thanks,
Mike

Problem is apparently faulty led's in the dash so replacement unit fixes,they are available second hand on ebay but mileage will need to be reset using diagnostic software and can only be increased so a lower mileage unit would have to be found.
The warranty replacement we had has a different layout to the faulty unit so look for one of those or I believe the new look 500 dash also works (someone here fitted one, Typecastboy ?)

 

[g8rpi]

I'm assuming here that you've tried the whole battery disconnect/reconnect thing?

If that doesn't work, then I realise that you are probably trying to avoid doing so, but my advice is, take the car to your local Fiat dealership and get them to diagnose the fault properly. Yes, it will cost you money, but ultimately, it may well save you a great deal of time chasing your own backside.

You've clearly read the thread anyway. My own situation was only resolved by the complete replacement of the instrument dash pod. I was lucky, it was done under warranty, but we never had the problem again. The instrument dash pods are known for giving problems.

Has anyone tried turning on the warning lights using the Actuators tab in Multiecuscan? assuming the cluster is CAN driven this would isolate the issue to the cluster. Sounds like tracking on the PCB (tin whiskers?) or a faulty driver chip.


Robert G8RPI.

 

[frupi]

.....The warranty replacement we had has a different layout to the faulty unit so look for one of those or I believe the new look 500 dash also works (someone here fitted one, Typecastboy ?)

And that was the same when we had ours replaced by the Fiat dealership, the cluster was an upgraded unit that differed to the factory installed pod. I remember the service manager telling me at the time that the instrument pod was toast and that is why it was replaced.

 

[Fiat2024princess]

Just come across this thread, having the same issue on my 2014 Fiat 500 pop. Was just driving along and went to turn right so indicated right and along with my flashing indicator, the engine light and seatbelt lights started flashing dimly is this a big issue will it affect driving? Obviously will get it seen asap just trying to figure out if it's something I can check myself first with limited car knowledge (don't want to get ripped off like I did last time I went in to a garage being female)

 

[Mike1alike]

@Fiat2024princess, welcome to the forum!
This problem sounds very nasty especially considering the fix is to replace entire dash (I just read this thread). Does not sound like being a big issue though, that would affect the driving.
Maybe a good electrician could fix it by replacing just the damaged part in the dash, not the dash completely. I so don't like this 'fixes' where they can practically almost say 'Get a new car, that will fix it".
Hope you'll have yours fixed and you could tell us about a simpler and more practical fix than replacing the entire dash.

 

[jrkitching]

Hi everyone. I am very new to Fiat ownership and am experiencing this exact issue on a used 500 1.2 lounge I bought. I am also seeing a dim glow from some of the dash warning lights when the ignition is completely switched off. With the ignition on and the right indicator flashing, the engine warning LED and the ABS warning LED flash together with the timing of right turning signal LED. Keen to know if anyone has had luck fixing this without having to replace the entire dash cluster? thanks

This is a very commonly reported problem here. The usual solution to this problem is to repair or replace the instrument cluster. A different cluster to the one originally fitted will need programming to the car.

If you take the car to a franchised dealer, they will replace it with a new OEM cluster, and guarantee the work, but expect to pay £1200+.

Repairing the existing cluster is one good option; do a search on the 'net to find folks offering this service. You'll need to find a garage to remove & replace it (unless you can do this yourself), and you'll be without the car whilst it's away. This would be my own preferred way of sorting this, since the repair will fix the original inherent weakness and you know the rest of the cluster works fine.

Another choice is a secondhand one, but there's no guarantee that won't fail the same way in the future, nor that it might be defective in some other way. You need to find one that's showing a lower mileage than yours; it can be adjusted upwards after fitting, but not downwards. It also needs to be compatible with yours, there have been several variations over the years, and of course they're colour coded to black or ivory to match the trim option. Significantly cheaper than a new cluster, but not without risks.

You could also buy a new cluster from shop4parts and have it fitted by an independent garage; just make sure they have the right software tools to program the cluster to the car. Donate to the forum and you'll get a 10% discount on the price. This should save you about £500 compared to going to a main dealer.

You can just keep using it. Not sure if it will pass muster for an MOT, though. Probably depends on how obvious the issue is, and the tester's discretion.

 

[Fiat2024princess]

Thanks for all the replies, I must say it's been a very reliable car I've had since nearly new - not as many multiple issues as my KA had but unfortunately the amount paid out to fix gets higher each time I suppose that's part of having a car a long time. I have literally just had my MOT about a month ago and flew through. Last year's was brake pads, tyres and sump pan, along with the door handles which looks like a common thing!

 

[jrkitching]

but unfortunately the amount paid out to fix gets higher each time

This is the tradeoff when you run an older car. It costs you less in depreciation, but more in repairs. Labour costs in particular can quickly add up.

Knowing when to throw in the towel and trade in for something newer is the hard part. The more capable you are at doing your own repairs, the more sense it makes to run an older vehicle.

My personal rule of thumb is that I don't advise anyone to run a car that's more than eight years old if they're dependent on using a garage whenever it needs maintenance or repair.