OT - Britvic Type A(R)se. Is it as good as they say?

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Boss is on holiday for a couple of weeks and his company car is nearing the mileage for replacement. So I have his 2005 Type R for 2 weeks and thought I'd share my thoughts on it.

First of all, let's get it out of the way, it's ugly, sinfully UGLY! But you knew that didn't you? However, that ugliness allows for ample rear seating for 6-footers and a very generous bootspace. All very reassuring but for the fact it's a flaming hot-hatch so who gives a monkeys if people in the back can sit straight and get their shopping in the back? Not me, it's UGLY and it's far too long for a 3-door hot hatch. It really doesn't pass the "Checking yourself out in the shop window" test.

Second, let's get this out of the way too - it's fast, DAMN FAST, and if I have this thing much longer I fear for my licence. The problem with is that I just can't seem to drive it sedately. It's not because it sounds great when you rev it (it doesn't, it sounds like a bag full of spanners having a rather heated argument with a schizophrenic box of frogs) or that you want to drive fast (I don't, that's why i have an HGT that behaves itself below 4,000 rpm), it's just that it goes from 0-lunacy in 0.0001 seconds. The engine is noisy and rough and is an affront to the ears. For some reason it sounds like your doing 7,000 rpm when in reality, you're only doing 3,000. This I do not like. However, the second kick of power at about 6,000 rpm is quite fun.

Thirdly, the handling is incredible. Who needs brakes when a car can handle corners like this? However, there is a HUGE compromise to be made in the ride quality department. It's VERY harsh and that's coming from an HGT driver! Fast, secure handling and noisy. I think that would be a fair appraisal.

However, it would not be a complete appraisal. There are other things that I must address: -

1) Did Stevie Wonder design the interior? The scariest thing about this car is driving it with your eyes closed because they are bleeding from the pain of having to look at the train wreck that is the dash. It's a total mess, completely devoid of any flowing lines or aesthetically pleasing features. It looks like they glued bits on as they remembered they needed them. From the oddly cream coloured dials to the irritating dash mouted gearstick and that awful silver painted centre console it's wrong, so very wrong. I've even noticed that the plastic of the door cards is a different shade to the dash into which they are (supposedly) sculpted. Very poor.

2) The seats. Hmmmmm, how do I describe the seats? Well........last time I was in Thailand we had a family day out. The girlfriends brother took us all out in his Nissan Pick-Up truck meaning that I spent 4 hours sat on a plank of wood with nothing but a hand towel separating my poor buttocks from the wrath of the splintered 2 by 4. How I long for that plank and hand towel after 5 minutes of sitting in this car. The Spanish Inquisition were the last ones to use seats this uncomfortable!!!

3) Build quality - "hold on Oz, it's a Honda and you drive a FIAT. You can't POSSIBLY have a gripe about build quality, surely." Well, both the handles used to lift the seats forward are broken so it's rather difficult to get that 6-footer in the back. The electric windows stick and are slow and the switches make the ones in the Bravo feel Germanic - old school Germanic at that. Also, there are more rattles in this thing than my local branch of Mothercare. What's that all about? Granted this one has done 60K but my HGT feels more together and it's 6 years older.

So in summary, I guess I don't like this car much but then I'm no boy-racer. I want a car that is sedate when I want it to be but has the poke for some fun if I want it. This thing is just madness. It's noisy, uncomfortable and difficult to drive with your eyes closed. The idea of having it was to save me some money (company car so I don't have to pay for the fuel) but I find myself taking Shabash! out so that I can enjoy driving again.

Britvic Type A(R)se? not for me thanks. Good God I'm getting old!! ;)
 
1st thing... great to see ur safe and well bud...

2nd... yup... must be an age thing as i totally agree with you!


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I'm not surprised it's difficult to drive with your eyes closed :)
 
Very accurate report there.

I Have similar gripes with the interior, and despite 'Honda quality', switches and panels are cheap to the touch and somehow (I find this with all Japanese interiors) depressing.

And riding in an Aerial Atom a while back, I must say I was not impressed with the engine note, especially when VTEC did it's thing. It sounded rough, almost like it was straining.


I think it's great as FIAT drivers that we can have a healthy dig at other cars, because I know if there was a 'chance HGT test drive' on a Honda forum -a negative outcome can be assured.

No doubt the Type-R will excel on track, as its lack of torque but high-rpm punch allows brisk cornering without the torque-wrenching under steer offered by the Focus RS and Astra VXR.

But on the road the result is an uninhabitable plastic shopping trolley with tacky add-ons and a engine that tries too hard.
 
the only v-tech screamer id have with a honda badge attached atm is a s2000, got a real soft spot for those :) seen a few damn nice examples go past the office as i work next door to Sumo power

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there are just some people that screw you up and dont give a damn, unfortunately i seem to have found that one!!!
 
One of my colleagues has an S2000 in that grey/blue colour. Feckin' lovely. Bast@rd !! LOL ;)

Rob

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lol, Rob i find myself muttering way too many things under my breath when im at work as we import cars into the port along with having sumo next door... as much as i love patch, shes a lil bit ropey n rough around the edges... seeing skylines, s2000's, 200sx's etc plus new jags, mercs, audis etc day in day out is quite depressing as i sit there going yeah id have that, and that, and that.... :(

Andy

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there are just some people that screw you up and dont give a damn, unfortunately i seem to have found that one!!!
 
Honda S2000 is what I would like to replace the Bravo with... found a nice black X plate UK model for £8995, only problem is that it is almost the same for insurance! :(



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oz i would sugest you get a bmw 760li V12 that would more than meet your taste but prob not ur taste in budget lol
 
UPDATE

Coming to the end of my time with the Britvic so I thought I'd share my final thoughts: -

Much to my surprise I have really warmed to this car. The performance is incredible. There is no other way to describe it. Having done quite a few miles in the last week I can confirm that in repect to performance, power and handling this car is every bit as good as they say it is (Oz and RR in agreement?! Never!! ;)). My only concern is for my licence.

Overtaking is a breeze although it does tempt you into manouveres that you really shouldn't be making as the pick-up is so good, except in 6th gear which really is just for constant cruising. The noise is still a pain and it certainly doesn't sound as deep and refined as the HGT but then it could whip the HGTs ass any day so I'm sure many would be happy with that compromise.

Handling - the car just sticks like glue and gives more and more grip. Even if it loses it momentarily it's back in an instant giving you some real security. However, be wary of pushing on in the wet. It's rather prone to tramlining which is a bit disconcerting and with low tread on the tyres (as this one has) it's a real scare when it aquaplanes, even and very moderate speeds.

The biggest surprise has been the brakes. I said before that you don't really need them and I have found that when you do they overheat very quickly and make a terrible noise. From what I can see the discs and pads are fine but when you brake hard from speed the noise and fade are really bad. Had a few scary moments into roundabouts. This may just be because the car has not been looked after that well but is still a concern.

So in summary, this is a fantastic car but unfortunately it is still not to my tatse. While it has the performance I just could not live with the edge of the seat driving experience day-in, day-out. The noise is the worst thing for me after the (lack of) styling and the frantic nature of the driving experience would put me right off. This is no Motorway cruiser, this is a racer and that's why it wouldn't be the choice for me. As with most great cars there is a compromise to be made.

As for the BMW Ash - How dare you? HOW VERY DARE YOU!!!!!
 

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