Technical oil pan drain plug stuck (with images) help me i beg of you!

[g8rpi]

Hi,
Just check for play between the two halves there should be no detectable movement when you try to rotate one half by hand while holding the other half still. Don't rely on th gearbox to hold the end still, it will allow some movement.

Robert G8RPI.

 

[andy1]

Thanks g8rpi...

I didn't do exactly what you told me because I can't find the space to place my other hand

here are some short videos

right axle:
right axle doesn't budge or make any sound when I move it up/down/around

however:

When I change rotation direction quickly there is this clicking noise in the middle of the car and a "short movement lag", is it the gear inside?




turning slowly:
(leak seems to originate from the big metal clamp)





turning fast:
(what is the ticking noise? ignore the metal rasping noise in the background, it's the braking pads on the right disc, kinda dirty)





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left axle:
left axle doesn't budge or make any sound when I move it up/down/around
However there is this black stain at 00:14... I don't understand it but I don't see any grease around it

 

[g8rpi]

Thanks g8rpi...

I didn't do exactly what you told me because I can't find the space to place my other hand

here are some short videos

right axle:
right axle doesn't budge or make any sound when I move it up/down/around

<SNIP>
(leak seems to originate from the big metal clamp)
<SNIP>

I think your CV joints are OK.


If you carefully inspect the rubber near the large clamp on the right inner joint you will probably find a small split. If you are sure there is no split and the clamp is loose enough that you can move the rubber boot relative to the metal underneath you might just only have to remove the clip, re-grease the joint and put a new metal clip on. Plastic ty-raps are not good enough. clean off the end of the boot and metal cup were the clip holds them together so there is no grease between them when you put it back together. I'll be very surprised if you are loosing that much grease from a loose clamp though. The staining on the left joint is just a very small leak, nothing to worry about.


Robert G8RPI.

 

[andy1]

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I can't find any split and it's moving


Still I'm not yet sure I want to do this job myself with only a jack and car stands,

It would mean buying:
-special tool to break the clip
-special grease
-new clip

How much do you think a mechanic would ask to do this?

And is removing only one clip really enough to apply the grease?

 

[ADRIAN22]

Its obviouse the problem is the loose clip, remove and put some new grease in through the end that you have removed clip, then fit a new clip after cleaning all grease from outside and inside the the rubber gator where it fits on the shaft.
This will ensure that the new clip grips tightly.

Note. Some people just use a strong tie wrap pulled very tight.

Ade:wave:

 

[koalar]

Measure width and diameter. Order the correct jubilee clip and grease. Job done.

 

[andy1]

Measure width and diameter. Order the correct jubilee clip and grease. Job done.

Thanks koalar,

so you mean one of these found at hardware stores would be fine as replacement?

 

[jrkitching]

Thanks koalar,

so you mean one of these found at hardware stores would be fine as replacement?

NO!

That will throw the driveshaft out of balance and you'll get a lot of vibration.

Buy some proper CV joint clips from your local motor factors.

This is an example of what I'm talking about.

Let's not mince words. To do this job properly, you need to remove the driveshaft from the car and thoroughly clean out the cv joint, and then fit a new gaiter with the correct amount of fresh grease. You've no idea how much contamination has already got inside that joint and if you just fit a new clip you're sealing that in. If there's any grit inside it won't be long before the inner cv joint wears out and then you'll need to replace more than a gaiter. You can usually buy a kit containing the gaiter, a measured amount of grease and a new clip.

 

[andy1]

NO!

That will throw the driveshaft out of balance and you'll get a lot of vibration.

Buy some proper CV joint clips from your local motor factors.

This is an example of what I'm talking about.

Thanks jrkitching, so not a jubilee clip...
I have seen that the worm gear would have touched something near the axle anyway

 

[koalar]

Thanks jrkitching, so not a jubilee clip...
I have seen that the worm gear would have touched something near the axle anyway

Sorry you are correct on the Panda there is a clearance issue.

Will not fit width wise any rate as the groove is only 7 mm wide and the one in the photo is nearly twice this.


Mines held together with plastic cable tie. Can't recommend this method as it's hard to tighten plus good quality ties needed. The cheap ones will stretch and or break.

Getting the proper band clips tight enough is quite difficult without the proper tool although it is possible with a pair of blunted pincers time and patience.

 

[andy1]

Let's not mince words. To do this job properly, you need to remove the driveshaft from the car and thoroughly clean out the cv joint, and then fit a new gaiter with the correct amount of fresh grease. You've no idea how much contamination has already got inside that joint and if you just fit a new clip you're sealing that in. If there's any grit inside it won't be long before the inner cv joint wears out and then you'll need to replace more than a gaiter. You can usually buy a kit containing the gaiter, a measured amount of grease and a new clip.

I appreciate your telling me what you really think!

...but!

I thoroughly inspected that gaiter with a torch and I am 100% sure it is not broken... the grease slipped underneath the clip... it's so much grease because it's been like this for a long time...

I will go to a mechanic and ask him to open the clip, move the gaiter aside to take a look inside...
I can't believe this won't give an idea if dirt got in...

and if it's clear dirt is inside I'll make them remove the driveshaft as you say...

 

[andy1]

By the way

I am really confused as to the pricing of those clips I see websites that say 30 euro each, others that say 3 euro... :bang:

 

[koalar]

I appreciate your telling me what you really think!

...but!

I thoroughly inspected that gaiter with a torch and I am 100% sure it is not broken... the grease slipped underneath the clip... it's so much grease because it's been like this for a long time...

I will go to a mechanic and ask him to open the clip, move the gaiter aside to take a look inside...
I can't believe this won't give an idea if dirt got in...

and if it's clear dirt is inside I'll make them remove the driveshaft as you say...

I would think you will be correct. Inspect clean as best you can. Repack and fasten.


The area where the boot clamps to the shaft has to be free from grease so the boot has maximum grip to the shaft.

 

[koalar]

By the way

I am really confused as to the pricing of those clips I see websites that say 30 euro each, others that say 3 euro... :bang:

About £2 each here in UK.

 

[g8rpi]

By the way

I am really confused as to the pricing of those clips I see websites that say 30 euro each, others that say 3 euro... :bang:

Hi,
Check the quantity. the €30 may be for 20 clips or a kit of different sizes. UK ebay has a set of 4 clips, 2 packs of grease AND the pliers for under €15
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CV-BOOT-C...GREASE-x2-EAR-PLIERS-x1-KIT-4-2/202040927905?
You should be able to get similar locally.
I don't think you need to worry about grit getting in under a loose boot. Moisture may have got in though and it's a good idea to replace the grease anyway. Pull the boot back remove as much of the old grease as you can easily (a tight U shaped piece if stiff wire is good for this). Don't use solvents. Put pre-measured new grease in, clean off inside lip of boot and outside of joint, put boot back on and fit new clip.


Robert G8RPI.

 

[andy1]

So I went to a FIAT garage, explained, the mechanic opened the clip and put grease inside the gaiter from a tube... it was so dark inside... couldn't see a thing...

Remembering how much grease there was around the gaiter I told him to me it looked little the amount he put and specified paying for it wasn't a problem but he said it becomes liquid with use (???)

so they made me pay nothing but now I'll have to live with a guilty conscience...

 

[koalar]

So I went to a FIAT garage, explained, the mechanic opened the clip and put grease inside the gaiter from a tube... it was so dark inside... couldn't see a thing...

Remembering how much grease there was around the gaiter I told him to me it looked little the amount he put and specified paying for it wasn't a problem but he said it becomes liquid with use (???)

so they made me pay nothing but now I'll have to live with a guilty conscience...

Nice result :worship:

Sure you can live with it

Nice PR for the garage

 

[A3jeroen]

 

[andy1]

After a couple of trips,

I put the car on jack and stands again to check situation underneath and surprise... grease.

I know the mechanic cleaned after the job because I was there watching, maybe he forgot to clean the other side but sounds far fetched.

The clip is not moving (I can move the wheels with it as shown in second video)




So I cleaned the grease and will check again on monday after I use the car for a long trip.

 

[koalar]

Before the grease was splattered everywhere.


Has that been cleaned off otherwise it will continually drip down making it look like it's leaking even if it's not.