Technical New Key coding

[JD82]

Same here.. I work in Salford so thats 2 of us that need Panda key work I have a local mobile auto locksmith to ring back. He was in the middle of coding something when I rang. will let you know how I get on

If you let me that would be great, how old is your Panda? I believe it the post 2006 I think ones which are more difficult.

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

If you let me that would be great, how old is your Panda? I believe it the post 2006 I think ones which are more difficult.

All Panda's I believe are code 2 (with possible exception for the very early 2003 examples). So they all require the same work, none easier or harder than each other.

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

Sorry, but why does that justify it being so expensive?

For the same reason a headlight bulb may cost 3 times what it would from a motor factor. It's a main dealer, Fiat are there to make a profit, not idle over with their cash flow.

 

[Louie Bee]

I have an 06 Sporting

It's got a 2 on they key blade which I believe in Seicento speak means expect no red master key when buying.

 

[JD82]

That is the system I have, so if he can do yours he can do mine . I will look forward to hearing from what he says .

 

[ponsaloti]

Out of interest what is your success rate? Do you ever have to redo a key where first cutting attempt fails?

Sorry just to clear things up, I was cocuring with the post above this one, re insurance ect...

Price of the key has naff all to do with the rocation of the cutting machine.

Laser cut does not mean its cut by a laser. The correct term for these type keys is not a laser key, its a milled key because its cut on a milling machine. God knows where the term laser came from.
Your american calls these a side winder key or a high security key

When you say success rate.
It aint a guess when we cut a key. Maybe 1 in 300 come back into the shop, usually because the lock is worn.

Ford charge about £180 for a remote key
Toyota, naissan are about the same.
Lexus and others, take out a mortgage.
Your paying for the technology not just a front door key.

 

[Bri]

www.flyinsdiagnostics.co.uk


Try this guy they do all types of programming keys as well.

 

[JD82]

I tried a lot of car key specialists last year and they all said they could not do modern FIATs.

It is very specialist, I am sure some can but the vast majority won't be able to do it.

 

[Louie Bee]

Hi JD82,

I’ve not forgotten.

I've been waiting for my V5 to come through as the auto locksmith guy told me that I'd be better off getting the 5 digit code from FIAT since it’s only £15 +vat. That way if he needs to do a re chip if needed (if a re program don’t work).

...but also a further £25 (I think) to recover the security code and transfer the records* at the International Security Register (ISR), who's details are etched into every window glass. Without that code, the key can't be programmed.

I’m not registered with the ISR and I managed to get the codes today from my local FIAT dealer over the phone. It took about an hour and I paid over the phone too. Aparantly FIAT charge the dealers £15 and my local place don't add anything to the cost (so I couldn't haggle a discount).

They gave me my the radio code too which I already have on a card but I’ve shelved it off cos it’s the non MP3 version.

I’ve checked the code following the emergency start procedure in the handbook and it works (by counting the flashes) Unlike when I tried to guess it.

The tekkie guy told me there would be no adverse effects if I regularly use the manual code with the duff key and also use the coded key. So if you prefer you could obtain your code from FIAT and have a spare key cut on the high street but not coded just for piece of mind. May not be too bad if your code is all low digits but mine aint.

So I’ll be in touch with the locksmith tomorrow and let you know how he gets on. He says he dose work on a few Puntos a week and never has any problems. I believe they use the same ID48 chip so Panda should not be a problem.

He’s happy for me to pass you his contact details to anyone interested in the Manchester area. I’ll do it by PM so I don’t upset paid up traders who may be too far away to code key to car.

 

[Bri]

The biggest key company in the manchester area who will supply any type of key and recode are in ashton (Keyfax)ive known them for years and their company have all the latest equiptment.

 

[Louie Bee]

What does it say about UK insurance?

From page 9 of my handbook

"U.K. Vehicles only. At the behest of the motor Insurance Companies the CODE card for emergency starting and replacement of keys are not provided. If you need assistance please contact your need assistance please contact your nearest Fiat Dealership, or telephone Free Phone 0800717000."

Looks like I wrote it with that repeat in it but that’s what it says
“need assistance please contact your need assistance please contact your”

 

[Louie Bee]

The biggest key company in the manchester area who will supply any type of key and recode are in ashton (Keyfax)ive known them for years and their company have all the latest equiptment.

Thanks Bri!! I'm working in Irlam so wrong side of town for me . I got the guys details from the motor factors near work and he’s Lymm based.

Looks like plenty of people can do Panda keys so no need to pay Fiat's prices!!

The Tec guy from my main dealer said he could try a recode on my key for the cost of half hours labour, but if the transponder is broken it won't work and they would still want their money.

They won't code the transponder you can get off ebay for a few quid so IMO I’m better off with an independent who I won't be paying unless the key is fixed.

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

But what age puntos does he work on as earlier ones will be code 1 system.

 

[Louie Bee]

But what age puntos does he work on as earlier ones will be code 1 system.

IIR the really early puntos are not coded much like early Cinqs with the good old black key**

The Uno boys who take Punto GT management to replace the standard Uno Turbo setup all go for early MKI ECUs to avoid this code complexity

Middle age are Type 1 (with red key)

later ones will be Type 2.

He mentioned coding key to car which I believe is only needed for type 2. Will let you know how he gets on

** not quite as simple as the 127 key.. that is tiny

 

[Tom Cobbly]

all very fascinating. I'm buying a replacement spare key for my Croma ... £261.02 including the transponder coding. It starts the car without a metal key (in a central console) so it's a fancy plastic thing, but all the same £260 ! Two Fiat garages quoted over £300 before revising their prices a bit. Haggle hard I say !

 

[Louie Bee]

all very fascinating. I'm buying a replacement spare key for my Croma ... £261.02 including the transponder coding. It starts the car without a metal key (in a central console) so it's a fancy plastic thing, but all the same £260 ! Two Fiat garages quoted over £300 before revising their prices a bit. Haggle hard I say !

Try PMing ponsaloti for a quote before you dip your hand in your pocket

I was quoted £45 to try and recode my key from the local auto locksmith I tried, but he wouldn't quote for a rechip so I'm looking elsewhere. He can do it but I'm not taking someone on without an agreed maximum price.

After paying for the FIAT code is more than ponsaloti quoted for a whole new key cut and code :bang:

My local dealer quoted half an hours labour to try a recode with no comeback if it fails

JD82, dont let that put you off asking for a quote for a new key.

 

[Louie Bee]

www.flyinsdiagnostics.co.uk


Try this guy they do all types of programming keys as well.

Looked on there and they linked to another locksmiths who I've emailed for a quote.

 

[JD82]

Well the price I have was everything all in, with I assume a warranty.

So any other person needs to be quite a bit cheaper because of the added risk, however it am I right in thinking it doesn't seem that much cheaper?

So if I am reading this right, the bloke you were going to use is now saying he cannot guarantee it will work but it will still cost you?

 

[Louie Bee]

Well the price I have was everything all in, with I assume a warranty.

So any other person needs to be quite a bit cheaper because of the added risk, however it am I right in thinking it doesn't seem that much cheaper?

So if I am reading this right, the bloke you were going to use is now saying he cannot guarantee it will work but it will still cost you?

I don't know what he's quoted you for what work (but do tell )

For me I have a key that can be fixed - by recoding the existing transponder, or just replacing the transponder within the key, and then coding that to car and ECU.

I was only given a price for trying to recode of the existing transponder (£45). If my transponder is broken the recode won't work. he says we will go from their with price if it's a transponder.

That’s no good for me as I get the sense of it all ending up in a sucking of air sound followed by a that's going to cost £££ more than I intended to pay in the first place, or well you owe me £45 for what I've done already... plus the price of an new...

 

[JD82]

Not god any quotes, but a I need a new key making from scratch I didn't make enquires last year but they all just said its dealer only.

If this bloke has to get as key from FIAT, buy the code from FIAT etc, I am not sure it will be a lot cheaper than a main dealer In your case it is a bit different as you already have the key itself.