new fiat engines

[JFL]

Largest diesel engine that is part of the group is a 150bhp unit shared by the:-

Bravo
Croma
Astra
Vectra
Zafira
9-3
9-5

And they also do do a 180bhp in the saabs after looking through my top gear mag .

 

[Hellcat]

That must simply be a mapped 150 multijet then... I could have around 190+ from my 1.9mjet if I wanted.

 

[JFL]

Bet it would fly with that much power

 

[Hellcat]

Bet it would fly with that much power

I'll let you know. Just deciding which company to go with.

 

[JFL]

Im not sure wether to remap mine or not. Might just leave it standard

 

[jug]

Largest diesel engine that is part of the group is a 150bhp unit

which group?
largest 1.9 output in the fiat group is 150bhp (JTDm)
largest 1.9 output in the GM group is 180bhp (TiD)

That must simply be a mapped 150 multijet then... I could have around 190+ from my 1.9mjet if I wanted.

corect, the GM & fiat range both only use different mapping for the different outputs (and charge you a load extra on the rrp for the privledge of a better map).

an aftermarket remap will take you way beyond the highest oem output, well over 200bhp is common on alfas with the 1.9JTDm so the same will apply to all the others that use the 1.9 engine, but as always you then need to be wary of premature clutch failure and slipping. remap and uprated clutch is the way forward.

 

[ChrisUK]

Sometimes have different turbo's and always have different anciliary's(sp?). Are people forgetting the 2.4 JTDm Oddpot :slayer:. That can be remapped to 200bhp+ easy.

 

[jug]

easily 250bhp from what i've heard, but you need a big car to take the 2.4 without destroying your handling, think stilo abarth style handling problems. even the 156 doesnt take kindly to the weight.

 

[raton_laveur]

Largest diesel engine that is part of the group is a 150bhp unit shared by the:-

Bravo
Croma
Astra
Vectra
Zafira
9-3
9-5

And they also do do a 180bhp in the saabs after looking through my top gear mag .

And the Cadilliac BLS, another Vecrtra Variant...

GM has three other Vectra clones in the USA, branded Chevrolet, Pontiac and Saturn. None are sold with diesel engines.

 

[raton_laveur]

Sometimes have different turbo's and always have different anciliary's(sp?). Are people forgetting the 2.4 JTDm Oddpot :slayer:. That can be remapped to 200bhp+ easy.

It's already up to 210 from the factory. See my comment above on this engine.

 

[jug]

It's already up to 210 from the factory. See my comment above on this engine.

the 210bhp caddy is a petrol 2.0 turbo

the 1.9 diesel is only available as 150bhp.

http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/cadillac/cadillac-bls-guide.asp

 

[The Sultan]

the 210bhp caddy is a petrol 2.0 turbo

the 1.9 diesel is only available as 150bhp.

http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/cadillac/cadillac-bls-guide.asp

210 from a 2.0 turbo is pathetic just look at the coupe 235

 

[raton_laveur]

the 210bhp caddy is a petrol 2.0 turbo

the 1.9 diesel is only available as 150bhp.

http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/cadillac/cadillac-bls-guide.asp

Look at the text I quoted and not just at my reply. That 210 HP referred to the 2.4 JTDM. That version was recently introduced, replacing the 200 HP version.

 

[The Sultan]

Look at the text I quoted and not just at my reply. That 210 HP referred to the 2.4 JTDM. That version was recently introduced, replacing the 200 HP version.

yea i know i was just pointing out how pathetic the caddys 2.0 turbo petrol is

 

[jug]

Look at the text I quoted and not just at my reply. That 210 HP referred to the 2.4 JTDM. That version was recently introduced, replacing the 200 HP version.

sorry, i thought you were trying to say the 1.9 was available with 210bhp.

 

[richardwp]

Being a diesel fan I've just read in a motoring mag that, to overcome turbo lag, Fiat has developed a new breed of twin-stage turbodiesel engines (TST) using 2 turbos - a small one spinning from low revs and a larger turbo which gradually takes over as engine speed rises. Fiat Powertrain Technologies says its new 1.9 JTD TST engine has the greatest 'torque density' on the market to give petrol-like response at low revs. The TST engine has 50% more low-end torque that the equivalent single-turbo Fiat 1.9JTD and typically cuts 11% off the 0-62mph time. Yet it consumes exactly the same amount of fuel as the current 1.9 JTD.
2 versions of the JTD TST engine are planned, with 178bhp for sale to other marques and a 187bhp version which Fiat Group are keeping for themselves! So they appear not to be making the same mistake as they did with selling their common rail technology to Bosch? The new engine will first appear in the Alfa 159 in 2008. Article didn't say when it would appear in a Fiat, but presumably around the same time. Start saving up, can't wait!

 

[ChrisUK]

Sounds promissing. . Stick one of them in the new GP Abarth for an equivilent Diesel performance

 

[jug]

i've always said the small + large turbos method is the best way to beat lag. its nothing new, but its very rare on a production vehicle.

i'm confident the twin stage turbo setup will eventually become the industry standard for all turbo engines.

i first heard about the 1.9JTD TST back in june (100bhp version iirc), but there was no mention of any plans to use it in a production car. the 159 is definately a good car to debut this engine in imo.

 

[Hellcat]

Count the turbos!

 

[The Sultan]

Count the turbos!

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