Technical new engine ? 500l

[dianeelaine2002]

had a diagnostic done on my 2013 500l diesel
said it was the 4th piston that was done in
is it possible to change the piston please ?
garage says new engine but can’t find one anywhere thanks in advance
diane

 

[jrkitching]

Hello and welcome to the forum.

Just to clarify, is your car a 500, or a 500L. If the latter, this really belongs in another section, and I'll get it moved.

Some folks identify the 500 lounge as a 500l, so I'll wait to hear from you before actually moving anything.

Edit: it's now been moved.

is it possible to change the piston please

That depends on how much additional damage has been done to the engine. Almost anything is possible when rebuilding a broken engine, but if it needs machining, welding or sleeving, it's specialist work, beyond the resources of most garages.

garage says new engine but can’t find one anywhere thanks in advance

A new (or factory rebuilt) engine can be had from Fiat but the cost would be prohibitive on a 10yr old car.

Secondhand engines can be found by searching the internet; the problem is knowing whether you're buying something decent, or a piece of junk.

Most breakers will give you some sort of guarantee on a used engine, but it'd be highly unusual if that guarantee would cover any labour costs associated with fitting it, so it's always going to be something of a risk if you go this route.

Assuming you're not going to do the actual job yourself, do you have a good relationship with a trusted garage? Once it's been dismantled, if the replacement engine has issues, or if any further faults are found, you're essentially at the mercy of whoever is doing the work.

If you don't have somewhere/someone you can trust, you might be better advised to sell the car as it is and put whatever you get for it toward something else.

 

[dianeelaine2002]

Hello and welcome to the forum.

Just to clarify, is your car a 500, or a 500L. If the latter, this really belongs in another section, and I'll get it moved.

Some folks identify the 500 lounge as a 500l, so I'll wait to hear from you before actually moving anything.


That depends on how much additional damage has been done to the engine. Almost anything is possible when rebuilding a broken engine, but if it needs machining, welding or sleeving, it's specialist work, beyond the resources of most garages.


A new (or factory rebuilt) engine can be had from Fiat but the cost would be prohibitive on a 10yr old car.

Secondhand engines can be found by searching the internet; the problem is knowing whether you're buying something decent, or a piece of junk.

Most breakers will give you some sort of guarantee on a used engine, but it'd be highly unusual if that guarantee would cover any labour costs associated with fitting it, so it's always going to be something of a risk if you go this route.

Assuming you're not going to do the actual job yourself, do you have a good relationship with a trusted garage? Once it's been dismantled, if the replacement engine has issues, or if any further faults are found, you're essentially at the mercy of whoever is doing the work.

If you don't have somewhere/someone you can trust, you might be better advised to sell the car as it is and put whatever you get for it toward something else.

yes it’s 500 L thanks for your reply x

 

[jrkitching]

yes it’s 500 L thanks for your reply x

Ok let's put this into the 500L section then.

I'll leave a link in the 500 section as well, because there are some knowledgeable folks there and the specific model isn't that important when dealing with an issue like this.

The relative scarcity of the 500L might make sourcing a secondhand engine more challenging, though.

 

[dianeelaine2002]

Hello and welcome to the forum.

Just to clarify, is your car a 500, or a 500L. If the latter, this really belongs in another section, and I'll get it moved.

Some folks identify the 500 lounge as a 500l, so I'll wait to hear from you before actually moving anything.

Edit: it's now been moved.


That depends on how much additional damage has been done to the engine. Almost anything is possible when rebuilding a broken engine, but if it needs machining, welding or sleeving, it's specialist work, beyond the resources of most garages.


A new (or factory rebuilt) engine can be had from Fiat but the cost would be prohibitive on a 10yr old car.

Secondhand engines can be found by searching the internet; the problem is knowing whether you're buying something decent, or a piece of junk.

Most breakers will give you some sort of guarantee on a used engine, but it'd be highly unusual if that guarantee would cover any labour costs associated with fitting it, so it's always going to be something of a risk if you go this route.

Assuming you're not going to do the actual job yourself, do you have a good relationship with a trusted garage? Once it's been dismantled, if the replacement engine has issues, or if any further faults are found, you're essentially at the mercy of whoever is doing the work.

If you don't have somewhere/someone you can trust, you might be better advised to sell the car as it is and put whatever you get for it toward something else.

hi
i’ve finally managed to track down an engine x
but my engine code is 199B4000
the REPLACEMENT engine is 199B1000
i believe the horse power is slightly lower on the replacement, will it still be ok please as the codes are slightly different x thankyou

 

[varesecrazy]

hi
i’ve finally managed to track down an engine x
but my engine code is 199B4000
the REPLACEMENT engine is 199B1000
i believe the horse power is slightly lower on the replacement, will it still be ok please as the codes are slightly different x thankyou

Hi
Is it 90 vs 75?

 

[dianeelaine2002]

Hi
Is it 90 vs 75?

96 v 86

 

[dianeelaine2002]

mines a mpv i don’t think the replacement engine is x

 

[varesecrazy]

Hi,

The 1248cc engine has been around a long time.. @2007

Since 2013 there has been a change for DPF

Yours will probably be the later variant

A different Turbo is often the change in power..
You may well be reusing your own turbo... So that could end up a direct replacement

 

[dianeelaine2002]

Hi,

The 1248cc engine has been around a long time.. @2007

Since 2013 there has been a change for DPF

Yours will probably be the later variant

A different Turbo is often the change in power..
You may well be reusing your own turbo... So that could end up a direct replacement

i was just going to do a straight swap ? do you think it will be ok ? thanks for your time diane x

 

[varesecrazy]

I thought I replied earlier..

If the same build year, you may have similar wiring and connectors to all the sensors

Often motors are Not complete, so you have the fit SOME of your kit


Depends on the deal (and warranty). You have organised

 

[dianeelaine2002]

I thought I replied earlier..

If the same build year, you may have similar wiring and connectors to all the sensors

Often motors are Not complete, so you have the fit SOME of your kit


Depends on the deal (and warranty). You have organised

it’s a complete engine x thanks for replying x

 

[varesecrazy]

Do let us know how it all goes

 

[dianeelaine2002]

Do let us know how it all goes

so will it be ok ?? x

 

[jrkitching]

so will it be ok

If the replacement engine is

a) compatible with your vehicle
and
b) in good working order
and
c) fitted correctly

then it will be OK.

The big question is who is responsible for each of these three things.

I will keep my fingers crossed for you.

Do please let us know the outcome.

 

[dianeelaine2002]

If the replacement engine is

a) compatible with your vehicle
and
b) in good working order
and
c) fitted correctly

then it will be OK.

I will keep my fingers crossed for you.

Do please let us know the outcome.

thanks x

 

[dianeelaine2002]

Hello and welcome to the forum.

Just to clarify, is your car a 500, or a 500L. If the latter, this really belongs in another section, and I'll get it moved.

Some folks identify the 500 lounge as a 500l, so I'll wait to hear from you before actually moving anything.

Edit: it's now been moved.


That depends on how much additional damage has been done to the engine. Almost anything is possible when rebuilding a broken engine, but if it needs machining, welding or sleeving, it's specialist work, beyond the resources of most garages.


A new (or factory rebuilt) engine can be had from Fiat but the cost would be prohibitive on a 10yr old car.

Secondhand engines can be found by searching the internet; the problem is knowing whether you're buying something decent, or a piece of junk.

Most breakers will give you some sort of guarantee on a used engine, but it'd be highly unusual if that guarantee would cover any labour costs associated with fitting it, so it's always going to be something of a risk if you go this route.

Assuming you're not going to do the actual job yourself, do you have a good relationship with a trusted garage? Once it's been dismantled, if the replacement engine has issues, or if any further faults are found, you're essentially at the mercy of whoever is doing the work.

If you don't have somewhere/someone you can trust, you might be better advised to sell the car as it is and put whatever you get for it toward something else.

hi
i have finally sourced a second hand engine for my fiat 500l
my husband is putting me off because he says different things will start going wrong with it and it won’t be the same
anyone had experience with this please xx

 

[jrkitching]

my husband is putting me off

I think he's right to be cautious; there are a lot of ways having a used engine fitted could go badly wrong and leave you considerably out of pocket.

No one can guarantee that you're going to be happy with the end result.

My advice remains the same; sell the car as it is and pass the link for the engine you've found to whoever buys it.

What you lost financially when the engine blew up can't be regained by paying someone else to fit another one. Whatever it's worth now, the only person who's ever going to get any more value than that from it is the person who repairs it. If that person isn't going to be you, then let it go and move on.

 

[dianeelaine2002]

I think he's right to be cautious; there are a lot of ways having a used engine fitted could go badly wrong and leave you considerably out of pocket.

No one can guarantee that you're going to be happy with the end result.

My advice remains the same; sell the car as it is and pass the link for the engine you've found to whoever buys it.

What you lost financially when the engine blew up can't be regained by paying someone else to fit another one. Whatever it's worth now, the only person who's ever going to get any more value than that from it is the person who repairs it. If that person isn't going to be you, then let it go and move on.

thankyou
Fiat 500L 2013 breaking for spares

 

[jrkitching]

Fiat 500L 2013 breaking for spares

It might be too good for that. It's the difference between it being economically repairable or being economic to pay someone else to repair.

I think it's likely worth repairing by someone who can do the work themselves and is going to use the car afterwards.

It's when you add the cost (and uncertainty) of paying a garage's labour and overheads that it becomes uneconomic, and much more high risk.

It might even be possible for someone to rebuild the existing engine. At least one person here has rebuilt a badly damaged engine on a car which almost certainly would otherwise have been broken for spares.