New driving laws

[Stu R]

@ Smee

Skip that last statement. You have already answered it. It just sounded like you were against peds crossing the road full stop in your prev statments.

 

[Tom]

You hit someone on a pedestrian crossing and its more than likely your fault. Thats why there are road makings and the such, to warn the driver to look out.

Its a bit different to someone running out between parked cars and getting hit.

 

[Anonymous]

i would stop yes. BUT i shouldn't have to. i would be asking my self y is the parent on one side of the road and the 5 yer old the other.

ur back to teaching ur children the correct road safety. if how ever. it was a 13 year old i wouldnt stop no. i would expect that kid to be street smart and understand the dangers of the road.

smee

http://www.visionstyling.co.uk for ALL your car needs!!!

 

[steve]

Veering slightly from topic to start (but still related ) veering back on topic at the end

When I were a lad (in best Hovis commercial twang) road safety was the responsibility of the pedestrian. We were always taught the green cross code, there were government safety films about people getting run over etc.

Now the onus has shifted to the driver, very rarely do we see a green cross code type of ad teaching the kids/pedestrians to cross the road safely, now it's all "kill your speed" this that and the other for the drivers.

I believe this has led to a change in attitude of the pedestrian (kids in particular). They no longer worry about crossing the road, most just seem to stroll across the road, making no effort to avoid cars. After all "It's the car drivers fault".

Someone should tell/show them that even if you are hit at 30 instead of 40 it's still gonna f*ck up your day. Pedestrians need to understand the dangers as much as the drivers. If you walked out infront of the people at a firing range you would most likely expect to be shot (and people would call you a tw*t for doing so) so if you walk out infront of moving traffic the responsibility should be the same.

Most people don't set out each day with the intention of murdering people with their car, most people don't drive like complete tw*ts and a law where the outcome for a single moments inattention could be a murder charge is a very dangerous one.

I would hope that this law is applied sparingly and only when the evidence is irrefutable.

I do believe that the current sentences are sometimes laughable compared to the crime but to go to the opposite extreme with a murder charge is not necessarily right either.

 

[Seb]

I agree with smee in a small part but not all of it, the whole ped not bein allowed to cross at all is a little harsh but the thing he said about a 13 year old should know about the road is totally right, when i was younger, not long ago i had to take a road smart course etc in school, that doesnt happen now and my lil bro didnt take it and i swear he's as thick as **** when it comes to the road, i picked him up the other day and saw him run behind a car that was about to reverse with his reverse light on and i had a massive go at my little bro about it! Moral of my rant, little kids are thick as shiit and need a kick up the arse to stop being chav w*nkers and learn some sense, the ammount of times i'v had them run in front of me, and my car isnt hard to miss, it not exactly quiet, the other day had them step out onto the dual carriag way!!! cars had to stop for them, its just stupid, parents need to sort it out! thats wat its down to, when i did something wrong i got a bollocking, the chav scum society today (talking from a view point in heme hempstead which is apparently the new south end) just dont have enough discapline!


Sorry for the long one

Seb - Brava 1.4sx

 

[Seb]

Damn i sounded like an old man sayin there isnt enough discapline

 

[Anonymous]

im not saying there not allowed to cross at all. but they should use the ped crossing with the traffic lights. as its a fair system. it dont just stop traffic cos of a monkey boi who wants to cross the road.

in america u get done for J walking. that should be the law here.

my dad said it to me. and im saying it about the kids of today. kids are getting softer and more stupid as the years go by.

smee

http://www.visionstyling.co.uk for ALL your car needs!!!

 

[Seb]

I agree and yes, i think J walking should be over here too, would solve alot of problems.

 

[rsmallwo]

smeeeeeee

I think smee you went off on one regarding zebra crossings which have been about for god knows how long and then tried to argue the case of better pedestrian discipline.

You where wrong when it comes to zebra crossing, you passed your test knowing about zebra crossing you should stop to let people cross them.

Your right when it comes to pedestrian discipline, you get some right muppets crossing the road that make you have to jam the brakes on. I think that there should be ASBO's for such offences or some fixed penalty, along the same lines as jay walking because as it is stupid people......get away with ****ing murder!

 

[steve]

Kids are def' getting worse.

How many times do you see a school kid step out in front of you and just strut really slowly across the road almost daring you to run him down.

I aim for the f*ckers, speed up and give em a scare.

Who do they think is really gonna come off worst, me in a ton of metal and plastic with seatbelts and airbags or them in a cheap pair of primark strides and some Nikes.

Kids just don't seem to have any road sense these days, they don't seem to understand that it bl**dy hurts like hell when you get run over and it's all atributable to the swing in attitude toward everything being the drivers fault.

Now they seem to be reinforcing the idea with stiffer penalties for the driver should an accident happen.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: smeeeeeee

yea i should in the eyes of the law. i dont cos i dont agree with it.

i only stop at zebra crossings for one reason. thats if theres a fit biatch about to cross the road. other than that i dip the clutch rev the car. the peds hear me (think im speeding up. but im not) then just drive through.

been doing it for years.

just out of curiosity (sp) if an ambulance or police car is called out and has to through a ped crossing. and some ones is waiting are they ment to stop and let them through??

Smee

http://www.visionstyling.co.uk for ALL your car needs!!!

 

[Anonymous]

steve u have made my day. i dunno y but i found that so funny.

them in a cheap pair of primark strides. LOL

it bl**dy hurts like hell when you get run over PMSL

sorry it not a laughing matter but that tickled me

smee

http://www.visionstyling.co.uk for ALL your car needs!!!

 

[Insomnia]

Re: smeeeeeee

With regards to the ambulance comment...

Common sense. If you see an ambulance lights flashing and siren blaring, you deserve to be run down if you step out.

AFAIK, everything whether pedestrian or vehicle has to allow emergency services to travel without blockage.

Ins.

Dec '97 1.8GT / 114,500 miles (New engine @ 77,000)
Current Status: Need an N/S Rear ABS Sensor!

 

[Anonymous]

Re: smeeeeeee

i did not know that lol

Smee

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[Chris]

Well when I had my first car I was veering around this corner, just after it started to rain, and the car just went right out of control. I spun it and went over a footpath, and straight into a wall. There was nothing I could do. Everyone said it was a complete accident!

Reason I said this is because if there was a child on the footpath that I killed, I wouldn't have got away with a written off car and my no claims going down the drain, I would have more than likely been in the ****e!

Where does the line meet with accidents and dangerous/careless driving!?

Chris

 

[Anonymous]

My friends son is in court today because he killed someone in another vehicle who crossed his path turning into a junction, whilst he had a clear long view of the oncoming car (Her son) he still decided to turn. He will probably get a huge sentence for this despite it being a genuine tragic accident. Whereas some utter f***ing w***er with a knife in their pocket who sets out to maim/kill will no doubt get a small fine and community service. There is no justice here just bureacracy getting it all wrong as usual. Symapthies to anyone who has lost someone in these circumstances, but a really nice lad may lose his freedom because of anothers error in what was literally an accident in all aspects of it's definition.

 

[Anonymous]

182: Drive carefully and slowly when

in crowded shopping streets or residential areas
driving past bus and tram stops; pedestrians may emerge suddenly into the road
passing parked vehicles, especially ice cream vans; children are more interested in ice cream than traffic and may run into the road unexpectedly
needing to cross a pavement; for example, to reach a driveway. Give way to pedestrians on the pavement
reversing into a side road; look all around the vehicle and give way to any pedestrians who may be crossing the road
turning at road junctions; give way to pedestrians who are already crossing the road into which you are turning
the pavement is closed due to street repairs and pedestrians are directed to use the road.
183: Particularly vulnerable pedestrians. These include

children and elderly pedestrians who may not be able to judge your speed and could step into the road in front of you. At 40 mph your vehicle will probably kill any pedestrians it hits. At 20 mph there is only a 1 in 20 chance of the pedestrian being killed. So kill your speed
elderly pedestrians who may need more time to cross the road. Be patient and allow them to cross in their own time. Do not hurry them by revving your engine or edging forward
blind and partially sighted people who may be carrying a white cane (white with a red band for deaf and blind people) or using a guide dog
people with disabilities. Those with hearing problems may not be aware of your vehicle approaching.


Just thought I would remind you of the highway code. Can I just point out the bit about revving engines? That is harrassment. Its not just 'fit bitches' that need to cross the road. I am a driver and also a pedestrian with a small child and expect the same respect from other road users as I give to them. Are you saying that you always use a crossing Smee, I gather you do occasionly need to use your legs?


Jackie

 

[Roberto]

Quote:"my dad said it to me. and im saying it about the kids of today. kids are getting softer and more stupid as the years go by."

You are living proof.

Just read this thread and I'm sorry Smee, but your comments are dangerously ill informed, incorrect and the very reason we need stricter laws. If you knock someone over because you are changing your CD, you are guilty of driving without due care and attention and need bangin' up.

I'm shocked and disappointed in your attitude and hope that when you do eventually grow up and have kids (which is a scary enough thought as it is) your attitude will change.

Your comments in this thread show you up to be a **** of the highest order.

Sorry to say that, but I'm just being honest.

Rob

 

[Anonymous]

I have to say I agree with Mr smee on a lot of what hes said though.

Dan (Skate2create)

 

[Anonymous]

thanks for ur comments rob and i respect ur honesty. u might think im a **** but its my opinion. i for 1 know im not the only one who agrees with wat i say. and to tell the truth i didnt expect every 1 to agree with me. world would be a boring place.

but something to leave u on which not every one will agree with as i am sure.

i dunno where u live but lets say u live down this long road 30 mph. cars parked up. and ur little girl kick a football (like wayne roonie corner flag boi) in to the road. ur kid runs out in front of me whilst im doing the correct speed limit. who is to blaim????

Smee