Ducato Multiecuscan help info

[Seanwinder22]

Just thought on about the code stored situation if I don’t have any stored codes in the gear box it should be fine right ?
My understanding is stored codes on which ever part you are making adjustments on example
Engine
Gearbox etc…,
My lambda sensor codes are on engine side not the gearbox
So if I was in the engine parameters etc and tried making adjustments and resets then it wouldn’t work

But gearbox no more codes has I cleared old codes that was stored
But I have had a bloody brake switch code p0703 and p0856 due to dodgy brake bulb connection and switch

This fiat is more trouble then it’s worth always something lol

For a long time my minds been on clutch issues then I noticed throttle peddle position on live data thinks engine to fast which if this happens it won’t select first gear causing the intermittent no gears available
That’s a NEW one I’ve found out I need to post to the comfortmatic issues forum

 

[RS3100]

Yea your wrong sorry
You go do anything in adjustments once you execute it comes up in progress then connects and starts procedure

OK, Happy to admit if I'm wrong, as I've never done this particular calibration. But have you tried starting the engine?

My understanding from reading up on the routine (not in MES) is that all the activation request in diagnostic equipment does is to set a flag in the ECU instructing it to start the calibration routine at the next engine start. The calibration is a procedure coded into the Selespeed ECU itself by the manufacturer, which will run when the engine has been started if the ECU has been told to do so. But the engine isn't going to start itself, and MES can't start it remotely.

So when you press Y to continue, MES is sending an instruction to the ECU to carry out the routine at the next engine start. It then waits for the vehicle to complete the routine and report the result back to MES. Nothing will happen until the engine is started, as the rest of the process is not controlled by MES, but by the vehicle. It still seems to me that the "Please Wait" may be MES waiting for the confirmation from the van that it has completed the routine, which it's not going to get until the engine has been started and the van does what it has been asked to do. If you run the routine in a simulated connection in MES, it returns "Completed Status: 00", which seems to confirm that it's waiting for a status from the vehicle on completion of the routine?

So it's a bit like a forced regeneration. You can perform that in MES, but all that MES does is send an instruction to the ECU to start running an internal routine in its instruction set. From there onwards, the subsequent process - increased engine rpms, injection of fuel etc. - are all perform directly by the ECU, not by MES at all. That same routine can be set to be run directly from a button in the cab on some variants of the Ducato in certain markets.

Or the BCM calibration on my Volvo. I have to use diagnostic software to enable it, but then I can disconnect the diagnostics. Once I start the engine, the calibration starts and I have to drive the car, which is looking for certain driving, turning and braking conditions. If the driving conditions don't meet the criteria for completing the calibration, and I reconnect the diagnostics at the end of the journey, there will be a pending flag set in the BCM, that will only clear when the routine has successfully completed. Last time I did that, the flag was still pending after several local journeys. It took an 80-odd mile trip before I next connected to the car and found it had completed and cleared the code.

And this is the clutch calibration routine I found as explained by someone using FiatEcuScan, which was the forerunner of MES I believe, albeit for a Selespeed box in an Alfa:

Requirements
- Engine coolant temp > 80 degr. celcius
- Clutch temp between 20 - 150 degr. celcius
- No errors in engine ECU
- No errors in Selespeed ECU

1) Key in MAR engine off.
2) Press execute
3) Start engine
4) Wait for 10 seconds, then turn key to stop
5) Turn key to MAR directly after the stop
Some other diagnostic tools note that this procedure must be repeated 5 times.

It seems from the instructions now in MES that the Ducato box repeats the clutch activation five times, avoiding the indication above that the procedure has to be run 5 times:

"The control unit will perform 5 clutch activation cycles! It should finish in ~1 minute."

 

[growlybear]

@RS3100 Would you mind posting a link (if allowed) to the source of the other info on the MES routines? I have Mes and really want to understand its uses. I've got a 2015 3.0 euro 5 with a comfortmatic. No issues so far... Thanks

 

[Seanwinder22]

@RS3100 Would you mind posting a link (if allowed) to the source of the other info on the MES routines? I have Mes and really want to understand its uses. I've got a 2015 3.0 euro 5 with a comfortmatic. No issues so far... Thanks

I can post what Fiat themselves say you need to do when the selespeed needs a service
This is what no dealer tells you when buying the comfortmatic
You have your normal engine service then another service on the selespeed which gets mistreated over the years
Over 2 years now I’ve done research and still can’t change my mind it’s a brilliant gearbox the m40 cfc combo if looked after
Anyone buying one needs to learn fast and the robot can all be serviced by yourself even changing actuators sensors accumulator seals fluids

 

[Seanwinder22]

@RS3100 Would you mind posting a link (if allowed) to the source of the other info on the MES routines? I have Mes and really want to understand its uses. I've got a 2015 3.0 euro 5 with a comfortmatic. No issues so far... Thanks

Page 26 in this file read all procedures

 

[RS3100]

@RS3100 Would you mind posting a link (if allowed) to the source of the other info on the MES routines? I have Mes and really want to understand its uses. I've got a 2015 3.0 euro 5 with a comfortmatic. No issues so far... Thanks

Sorry, the info I quoted above I came across on an Alfa owners forum via a google search. I didn't save the link I'm afraid.

But there is a MES forum. It's linked from the MES home page at https://www.multiecuscan.net/forum/

AlfaOBD help documents also contain a lot of information.

The documents linked on the FiCom page are also interesting. https://www.obdtester.com/ficom

Other than that, I was just pushing back gently on the assertion that when you start any procedure in MES it connects to the vehicle and runs the whole process all by itself. All any diagnostic software does is to send commands and receive information that is made available by the vehicle. Think of it like a TV remote control. You can turn your TV on and off by a switch on the TV itself. There are on many sets switches and buttons that change the channels, alter the volume, access the TV menus etc. But you can also sit the other side of the room and carry out all those functions through a little box held in your hand. It's not in itself a magic box. It's just sending and receiving signals that are already used inside the TV by its own hardware and software.

MES and other diagnostic tools are similar. They communicate with the vehicle, and via that communication they can send and receive information through the diagnostic port that simulates in many cases what the vehicle does itself, such as when you run a test actuation of a lamp or motor. They can display information that is already available in various ECUs and which in normal driving is often used by the vehicle to monitor various systems and operate routines etc. All of these things are actually programmed into the vehicle's control units. MES just simulates a signal through the vehicle network that may also be sent from within the vehicle between control units in normal use, or sometimes also if you pressed an an appropriate switch, or switches in a specific pattern.

A lot of routines are made available in the vehicle and can be activated by particular patterns of button presses etc. if you don't have any diagnostic equipment available. Whether that is by design as a back up in markets and countries where technical diagnostic equipment may not always be readily available, or whether it is just back doors in the software I don't know. But the routine to cancel and reset the oil condition counter is a good example. You press a button in MES and it clears/resets the software oil condition counter in the engine ECU. But as has been mentioned in another current topic here, you can also achieve the same result by operating the ignition, throttle and brake pedals in a specific manner.

If you run brake bleeding routines in various diagnostic tools, the tool doesn't just go off and bleed the brakes whilst you wait for it to complete and give you a result. It can actuate various valves in the brake module, but at the same time it presents the user with instructions such as when to open and close a bleed vale at a particular wheel, to hold down or pump the brake pedal at a particular point etc. But it can't run the process all by itself, and if you don't open and close bleed valves or operate the pedal when requested the function can't complete correctly.

That's similar to the point I was making about the Selespeed clutch calibration. I'm pretty sure that MES is sending an instruction to the gearbox to carry out a specific calibration process the next time the engine is started. But it waits for the operator to turn on the engine. It can't do that itself, although a similar calibration routine in a different equipped with a remote start function may be able to run the whole process from a single press of a button in compatible diagnostic equipment, if the vehicle has a remote engine start capability.

When I complete a service on my Volvo, and press a button in diagnostic software, it starts with two options. The first just sneds another instruction to the car and it resets the service message. The second option simply displays the instructions for acheiving the same result by pressing various buttons in the car in a specific sequence. Even Volvo's own dealer diagnostics offers both options when resetting the service message.

But I seem to be rambling on somewhat. I hope that all helps a bit though!

Edit: The document just posted by @Seanwinder22 confirms what I said. When you request the clutch calibration routine, a request is sent to the gearbox, which remains pending until the engine is started.

 

[growlybear]

Sorry, the info I quoted above I came across on an Alfa owners forum via a google search. I didn't save the link I'm afraid.

But there is a MES forum. It's linked from the MES home page at https://www.multiecuscan.net/forum/

AlfaOBD help documents also contain a lot of information.

The documents linked on the FiCom page are also interesting. https://www.obdtester.com/ficom

Other than that, I was just pushing back gently on the assertion that when you start any procedure in MES it connects to the vehicle and runs the whole process all by itself. All any diagnostic software does is to send commands and receive information that is made available by the vehicle. Think of it like a TV remote control. You can turn your TV on and off by a switch on the TV itself. There are on many sets switches and buttons that change the channels, alter the volume, access the TV menus etc. But you can also sit the other side of the room and carry out all those functions through a little box held in your hand. It's not in itself a magic box. It's just sending and receiving signals that are already used inside the TV by its own hardware and software.

MES and other diagnostic tools are similar. They communicate with the vehicle, and via that communication they can send and receive information through the diagnostic port that simulates in many cases what the vehicle does itself, such as when you run a test actuation of a lamp or motor. They can display information that is already available in various ECUs and which in normal driving is often used by the vehicle to monitor various systems and operate routines etc. All of these things are actually programmed into the vehicle's control units. MES just simulates a signal through the vehicle network that may also be sent from within the vehicle between control units in normal use, or sometimes also if you pressed an an appropriate switch, or switches in a specific pattern.

A lot of routines are made available in the vehicle and can be activated by particular patterns of button presses etc. if you don't have any diagnostic equipment available. Whether that is by design as a back up in markets and countries where technical diagnostic equipment may not always be readily available, or whether it is just back doors in the software I don't know. But the routine to cancel and reset the oil condition counter is a good example. You press a button in MES and it clears/resets the software oil condition counter in the engine ECU. But as has been mentioned in another current topic here, you can also achieve the same result by operating the ignition, throttle and brake pedals in a specific manner.

If you run brake bleeding routines in various diagnostic tools, the tool doesn't just go off and bleed the brakes whilst you wait for it to complete and give you a result. It can actuate various valves in the brake module, but at the same time it presents the user with instructions such as when to open and close a bleed vale at a particular wheel, to hold down or pump the brake pedal at a particular point etc. But it can't run the process all by itself, and if you don't open and close bleed valves or operate the pedal when requested the function can't complete correctly.

That's similar to the point I was making about the Selespeed clutch calibration. I'm pretty sure that MES is sending an instruction to the gearbox to carry out a specific calibration process the next time the engine is started. But it waits for the operator to turn on the engine. It can't do that itself, although a similar calibration routine in a different equipped with a remote start function may be able to run the whole process from a single press of a button in compatible diagnostic equipment, if the vehicle has a remote engine start capability.

When I complete a service on my Volvo, and press a button in diagnostic software, it starts with two options. The first just sneds another instruction to the car and it resets the service message. The second option simply displays the instructions for acheiving the same result by pressing various buttons in the car in a specific sequence. Even Volvo's own dealer diagnostics offers both options when resetting the service message.

But I seem to be rambling on somewhat. I hope that all helps a bit though!

Edit: The document just posted by @Seanwinder22 confirms what I said. When you request the clutch calibration routine, a request is sent to the gearbox, which remains pending until the engine is started.

Thanks for this. It's hard to believe that no one has documented more fully the various operation of Mes. For example, on the clutch bleed, and during the 15 actuations, is another operator opening and closing the bleed nipple/checking master cylinder level. Mes seems amazing, having used it to proxi align when the airbag ecu failed. I've now got a plausibility error on the airbag, but that's a problem to sort on another day!

 

[Seanwinder22]

Sorry, the info I quoted above I came across on an Alfa owners forum via a google search. I didn't save the link I'm afraid.

But there is a MES forum. It's linked from the MES home page at https://www.multiecuscan.net/forum/

AlfaOBD help documents also contain a lot of information.

The documents linked on the FiCom page are also interesting. https://www.obdtester.com/ficom

Other than that, I was just pushing back gently on the assertion that when you start any procedure in MES it connects to the vehicle and runs the whole process all by itself. All any diagnostic software does is to send commands and receive information that is made available by the vehicle. Think of it like a TV remote control. You can turn your TV on and off by a switch on the TV itself. There are on many sets switches and buttons that change the channels, alter the volume, access the TV menus etc. But you can also sit the other side of the room and carry out all those functions through a little box held in your hand. It's not in itself a magic box. It's just sending and receiving signals that are already used inside the TV by its own hardware and software.

MES and other diagnostic tools are similar. They communicate with the vehicle, and via that communication they can send and receive information through the diagnostic port that simulates in many cases what the vehicle does itself, such as when you run a test actuation of a lamp or motor. They can display information that is already available in various ECUs and which in normal driving is often used by the vehicle to monitor various systems and operate routines etc. All of these things are actually programmed into the vehicle's control units. MES just simulates a signal through the vehicle network that may also be sent from within the vehicle between control units in normal use, or sometimes also if you pressed an an appropriate switch, or switches in a specific pattern.

A lot of routines are made available in the vehicle and can be activated by particular patterns of button presses etc. if you don't have any diagnostic equipment available. Whether that is by design as a back up in markets and countries where technical diagnostic equipment may not always be readily available, or whether it is just back doors in the software I don't know. But the routine to cancel and reset the oil condition counter is a good example. You press a button in MES and it clears/resets the software oil condition counter in the engine ECU. But as has been mentioned in another current topic here, you can also achieve the same result by operating the ignition, throttle and brake pedals in a specific manner.

If you run brake bleeding routines in various diagnostic tools, the tool doesn't just go off and bleed the brakes whilst you wait for it to complete and give you a result. It can actuate various valves in the brake module, but at the same time it presents the user with instructions such as when to open and close a bleed vale at a particular wheel, to hold down or pump the brake pedal at a particular point etc. But it can't run the process all by itself, and if you don't open and close bleed valves or operate the pedal when requested the function can't complete correctly.

That's similar to the point I was making about the Selespeed clutch calibration. I'm pretty sure that MES is sending an instruction to the gearbox to carry out a specific calibration process the next time the engine is started. But it waits for the operator to turn on the engine. It can't do that itself, although a similar calibration routine in a different equipped with a remote start function may be able to run the whole process from a single press of a button in compatible diagnostic equipment, if the vehicle has a remote engine start capability.

When I complete a service on my Volvo, and press a button in diagnostic software, it starts with two options. The first just sneds another instruction to the car and it resets the service message. The second option simply displays the instructions for acheiving the same result by pressing various buttons in the car in a specific sequence. Even Volvo's own dealer diagnostics offers both options when resetting the service message.

But I seem to be rambling on somewhat. I hope that all helps a bit though!

Edit: The document just posted by @Seanwinder22 confirms what I said. When you request the clutch calibration routine, a request is sent to the gearbox, which remains pending until the engine is started.

Just wanted to come back to this and let you know you was correct buddy
On gearbox adjustment once you pressed execute it does the commands

But the clutch calibration is the only one out of the list that does work differently and once press execute it connects but comes up in progress once this goes off you can hear noises then comes up complete
I did it last night
It will not completed anything if you have stored codes in the gearbox for sensors etc

I ended up doing the eol procedure after clutch bleed
Now in parameters it says clutch calibrated successfully

I just want to thank the familiar faces on the forum who help all the time and over the years you guys are brilliant and really help people that come here great work everyone love the fiat forum

 

[growlybear]

Just wanted to come back to this and let you know you was correct buddy
On gearbox adjustment once you pressed execute it does the commands

But the clutch calibration is the only one out of the list that does work differently and once press execute it connects but comes up in progress once this goes off you can hear noises then comes up complete
I did it last night
It will not completed anything if you have stored codes in the gearbox for sensors etc

I ended up doing the eol procedure after clutch bleed
Now in parameters it says clutch calibrated successfully

I just want to thank the familiar faces on the forum who help all the time and over the years you guys are brilliant and really help people that come here great work everyone love the fiat forum

Great news, and great work!

You you notice a difference in gearchanges and clutch operation?

 

[Seanwinder22]

Great news, and great work!

You you notice a difference in gearchanges and clutch operation?

Yes mate massive difference
This multiecuscan is unreal now I’ve learnt the information is brilliant
So I’ve found information 2017 was the last fiat service on this vehicle
What fiat specialist carry out a service they log it in the stored data in the computer and you can find it in mes like oil change filter pump etc and fiat always reset this data and leave information on next service due in days and miles
So this selespeed has not had professional hands on it in years
That was the problem it needed a good service
I had to spend a few quid however on seals oils sensors do bleeding and gearbox oil change
Drop oil from transmission and cluck but yes mate it’s sweet now
So now I have the van I will do this every year

 

[growlybear]

You'd think with the value of Motorhomes that folk world look after them better. I know money is tight, but since 2017!
Have you read the looooong Selespeed post on the German site? Loads of info including changing the hydraulic fluid to a different spec. Can't remember it right now.

What order did you do the Mes operations? I'll start it off!

1) Manual dot 4 change and bleed
2) Depressurise hydraulic pump and replace fluid
3)

 

[Seanwinder22]

You'd think with the value of Motorhomes that folk world look after them better. I know money is tight, but since 2017!
Have you read the looooong Selespeed post on the German site? Loads of info including changing the hydraulic fluid to a different spec. Can't remember it right now.

What order did you do the Mes operations? I'll start it off!

1) Manual dot 4 change and bleed
2) Depressurise hydraulic pump and replace fluid
3)

Not in that order you started mate
First I removed the fuse for the pump before draining fluid
This is transmission big reservoir
I drained reservoir then added new and then fitted fuse

Then bled clutch opened valve with syringe and tube I pushed instead of gravity bleed so once small reservoir was full I empty and push more and repeat I didn’t have mes at this point so did all these first

Then dropped gearbox oil I made videos on YouTube how I did it all 3

Then mes came so I bled clutch for any trapped air you don’t need to depressure for trapped air
Depressurise is to change fluid which I had done previously with fuse remove or negative to battery both do this so after changing fluids and bleed

1. Clutch bleed
2. Eol end of line final calibration that’s it

Then I just went to actuator tests and tried pump and relay and solenoid etc made sure everything good then started and tried gears etc was nice and smooth

 

[growlybear]

Not in that order you started mate
First I removed the fuse for the pump before draining fluid
This is transmission big reservoir
I drained reservoir then added new and then fitted fuse

Then bled clutch opened valve with syringe and tube I pushed instead of gravity bleed so once small reservoir was full I empty and push more and repeat I didn’t have mes at this point so did all these first

Then dropped gearbox oil I made videos on YouTube how I did it all 3

Then mes came so I bled clutch for any trapped air you don’t need to depressure for trapped air
Depressurise is to change fluid which I had done previously with fuse remove or negative to battery both do this so after changing fluids and bleed

1. Clutch bleed
2. Eol end of line final calibration that’s it

Then I just went to actuator tests and tried pump and relay and solenoid etc made sure everything good then started and tried gears etc was nice and smooth

Nice one.

I've seen your YouTube vids

This will be my next job.

Thanks for your help

 

[the green vanper]

So this selespeed has not had professional hands on it in years
That was the problem it needed a good service

And that's the cause of all the problems of those robotized gearboxes I've pointed it out in a couple of threads

What fiat specialist carry out a service they log it in the stored data in the computer and you can find it in mes like oil change filter pump etc and fiat always reset this data and leave information on next service due in days and miles

Can you please point out where to find those information in MES?

 

[Seanwinder22]

And that's the cause of all the problems of those robotized gearboxes I've pointed it out in a couple of threads



Can you please point out where to find those information in MES?

Yes I agree they need looking after
And yes I will check soon what it’s called that I found it under

 

[Seanwinder22]

Ok when connect to mes go to service then adjustment
You will see last service fist carried out and register it

 

[CheeseMonster]

@Seanwinder22
Can you give a link to your YouTube videos please?

 

[Seanwinder22]

@Seanwinder22
Can you give a link to your YouTube videos please?

Motorhome diy

Share your videos with friends, family and the world

youtube.com

 

[MSjoberg]

Depressurise is to change fluid which I had done previously with fuse remove or negative to battery both do this so after changing fluids and bleed

Removing the pump fuse will lead to a full depressurization if, an only if, you wait long enough after the fuse has been removed. How long "long enough" is varies between cars, i.e. pump tolerances and other factors impacting the natural "leakage". For my car, 1 hour is enough. But I have seen reports from others where even an overnight wait was insufficient.

 

[Seanwinder22]

Removing the pump fuse will lead to a full depressurization if, an only if, you wait long enough after the fuse has been removed. How long "long enough" is varies between cars, i.e. pump tolerances and other factors impacting the natural "leakage". For my car, 1 hour is enough. But I have seen reports from others where even an overnight wait was insufficient.

Yes I did it weeks ago mate removed fuse then next day empty the tank