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leroya500

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Just a quicky

Spark plugs - they come pre set for the gap nowadays yes?

Also oil removal, is one of those new fangled oil suckin pump vacuum things to suck it out the top better than doing the normal crack the sump plug let it drain way.

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Hi,
As Varescrazy says plugs should be pre-gapped but always check.
I do not subscribe to the vacuum out the oil process. Firstly you can not be sure that the pipe has reached the bottom of the sump. Secondly any heavy particles sink to the bottom of the sump over the whole area. Sucking up is highly unlikely to draw these into the pick-up but draining down tends to wash them out. The vacuum system was designed to make it easy for quick change service shops while sounding hi-tech. On the sump plug, if you don't remove it everytime then it is more likely to be stuck when you do try to remove it.

Robert G8RPI.
 
Hi,
As Varescrazy says plugs should be pre-gapped but always check.
I do not subscribe to the vacuum out the oil process. Firstly you can not be sure that the pipe has reached the bottom of the sump. Secondly any heavy particles sink to the bottom of the sump over the whole area. Sucking up is highly unlikely to draw these into the pick-up but draining down tends to wash them out. The vacuum system was designed to make it easy for quick change service shops while sounding hi-tech. On the sump plug, if you don't remove it everytime then it is more likely to be stuck when you do try to remove it.

Robert G8RPI.

My Dad bought an @8 year old ford twin-cam from a friend,
it had only ever been to 1 FORD dealer / agent.. for ANNUAL servicing,,

broke 2 tools trying to remove the sump plug:bang:, was "welded" in by corrosion..
that was the 1st time I'd heard of sucking the oil out:eek: circa 1999

TBH the FIAT tapered thread plug is A1 in my book, :cool:
no copper washer to replace / lose, AND you can see what it does..even which way the thread runs:worship:
 
Where possible (and beneficial) one should always try an follow traditional old school practices to get the best service possible.

Modern garage servicing is very much a "quick inspection", bare essentials process. In the "old" days far much more detailed inspection/checking/setting/etc" used to be done. This old regime has been slimmed down over the years due to two major factors:

1) Improved component design/reliability/quality
2) Increased hourly costs and end customer large bills which then put them off going back to a main dealer or even not having their vehicle regularly serviced.

I said above "where possible" and by this I mean that some items/processes where simple, non involved and did not disturb other non related items. More recently many things have become interrelated and "non disturbance till absolutely necessary" would be the better/safer option all assuming it was not a current manufacturers required item.

Just for fun/reference here is *my* service sheet/schedule for our Barchetta:

FIAT SCHEDULED SERVICE ITEMS (tick = required/done)
(x = not done)
(- = not applicable)

Car: Fiat Barchetta Mileage: Date:

[ ] 12 : 12/24/36/48/60/72/84/96/108/120/132/144/156/168/180/192/204/216
[ ] 24 : 24 24 24 24 24 24 24 24 24
[ ] 36 : 36 36 36 36 36 36
[ ] 48 : 48 48 48 48

12K
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( ) Check operation of seat belts, inspect visible mountings
( ) Check all int./ext. lighting, indicators, windscreen washer, wiper, horn
( ) Check/Lubricate door locks, hinges, bonnet/boot release, straps
( ) Check clutch & brake pedal free travel and tolerances
( ) Check headlamp alignment and reset as necessary

( ) Check for leaks in fuel lines and coolant hoses
( ) Check for leaks - engine, transmission, steering oil, brake fluid
( ) Check fit/condition-exhaust

( ) Check front wheel toe-in
( ) Check tyres for mix, condition, pressure, tread depth(mm) - Torque 86Nm

( ) Check front steering/ball joints & rack gaiters
( ) Check front drive shaft rubber boots
( ) Check front wheel bearings for play and noise
( ) Check front brake pads for wear (1.5mm)
( ) Check front calipers and hoses for condition and leakage
( ) Check front discs for condition and minimum thickness (18.2mm)
( ) Check front shocks for leaks
( ) Check front strut to hubs assembly bolts for tightness

( ) Check rear wheel bearings for play and noise
( ) Check rear brake pads for wear (1.5mm)
( ) Check rear brake cylinders and hoses for condition and leakage
( ) Check rear discs for condition and minimum thickness (9.2mm)
( ) Check rear shocks for leaks
( ) Check/Adjust handbrake

( ) Check/Top up level - brake fluid, battery electrolyte, washer fluid
( ) Check/Top up coolant level, test Paraflu
( ) Check condition & adjust as reqd. engine ancillary drive belts
( ) Check cylinder compressions - if suspected

( ) Change Oil Filter + sealing copper washer
( ) Change Engine Oil

( ) Check engine oil level
( ) Clean engine compartment (only if really necessary)
( ) Road test, check operation-engine,clutch,transmission,brakes,instruments
( ) Check oil filter for leaks
( ) Check engine idling

( ) Fill in Car Service Record Book

24/48/72/96/120/144/168/192/216K (or every 2 years)
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( ) Clean flame trap / crank case breather
( ) Check/Top up transmission oil level
( ) Change Spark Plugs
( ) Change Brake Fluid - DOT4/5


36K (or every 3 Years)
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( ) Replace auxilary drive belt
( ) Check condition/wear/slack of timing belt, renew if necessary

48K
---
( ) Check fuel vapour recovery system

60K (over every 5 years)
---
( ) Change Antifreeze - long life - 5 years

72/144/216K (over every 5 years)
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( ) Change Timing Belt

PARTS:
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[ ] 12K ( )Engine Oil 5L
( )Oil Filter - 46808391 or 60612882 or 46808398
( )Sump Plug Copper Seal - 555196309 or 10261660

[ ] 24K ( )Air Filter - 60603982
( )Spark Plugs - RC8BYC (4 off)
( )Brake Fluid Dot 4/5, 1L min

[ ] 60K ( ) Antifreeze - long life - 5 years

[ ] 72K ( )Timing Belt

SERVICE NOTES
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Everyone cannot afford modern servicing methods. From the above stated descriptions it seems that it is the way of making money by the modern mechanics. Traditional way to servicing method is best one, although it is somewhat time consuming but provides best results. Through this each and every part of the vehicle gets cleaned and provides new lease of life to your vehicle.
 
Does anyone have the spark plug gap spec on the 2012+ panda by any chance so I can double check them?
 
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